They only did the previous two livestreams after seeding several civ guides for most of the civs present in the livestreams.
Therefore, I'd say that it will be several weeks into the Modern Age segment of the civ guide release schedule. Probably early-mid January. Modern civ guides should start the latter half of two weeks from now.
That makes total sense, they will want to make the most of the civ reveals and won't spoiler there own marketing campaign. And that will give them one month before release to ramp up the intensity so it would all fit. Mid January feels like a long time away though Even if there is no big modern age full livestream reveal hopefully Firaxis are filled with Christmas spirit and they give us something a bit more juicy in December before the holiday break
The Sassanid, like the Tang, suffer from being hard to fit in the ages system. They just fell too early to properly fit exploration (though all their best known rivals are there), and they’re unfortunately overshadowed by a much more famous predecessor in ancient (Achaemenid, Han)
With Khmer being in Antiquity, nothing is hard to fit anywhere. Despite being overshadowed in fame (to the mind of average Joe) by the Achaemenids, they were a powerful late ancient and early medieval empire that dominated the Midde-East and threatened the Byzantine Empire in the west. The empire outlived the duration of the Achaemenids by 207 years. The Achaemenid Empire lasted for 220 years, while the Sassanid Empire lasted for 427 years. Not to mention that the later Islamic caliphates were heavily influenced by Sasanian culture. Fans have asked for Sasanian representation for a long time and this is the perfect game to include both empires, without leaving one of the two out of the roster.
I doubt it either, considering they just called the Antiquity Age Persia. I'm not even certain that a Modern Persian dynasty will come in the future, but I think it could have potentially worked. I mean Zoroastrianism is a religion in the game, and they could have had a Fire Temple quarter which could found a religion, and an Aswaran cavalry unit.
I mean Besides China and India, I think Persia would be the next best one to get 3 civs across all ages.
With Zoroastrianism being a religion, it would be a shame to not include them, in my opinion. The name can always change later, they can add the word Achaemenid in front.
With Zoroastrianism being a religion, it would be a shame to not include them, in my opinion. The name can always change later, they can add the word Achaemenid in front.
If they ever do that, we can hope they change Spain's name to Castile in the Exploration Era and introduce a Modern Era Spain.
Speaking of Persia, yeah, it was a bit disappointing to see that their name was just Persia and not Achaemenids, it makes me fear that other Persian dynasties/empires won't be included in the future, which would be a sad thing.
I predict Hawaii will be announced along its leader, Disney’s Moana. Moana will have two personas, one of which is accessed by linking your Disney + account to your Firaxis account.
All of this will be announced live at the Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade when the Moana 2 float hits 34th Street on Thursday morning Eastern Time.
I'll predict Hawaii will be announced, but in a twist we will *not* get a Hawaiian leader. Instead, Tongan king and builder of the Ha'amonga 'a Maui, Tu'itatui will be the other Pacific representative. I figure it's about as out there as some of the stranger picks we've had so far.
I'll predict Hawaii will be announced, but in a twist we will *not* get a Hawaiian leader. Instead, Tongan king and builder of the Ha'amonga 'a Maui, Tu'itatui will be the other Pacific representative. I figure it's about as out there as some of the stranger picks we've had so far.
What do we think is the justification for Hawaii in the exploration age?
Their unification came thoroughly in the modern age, and they settled rather than ventured - it was precursor Polynesians that were the explorers. So I'm intrigued by the reasoning for them to be placed in exploration. I see them as a Mexico / America equivalent of Oceania and I would have thought some of their precursors would have fit the theme of the exploration a bit better?
It is a strange choice. If I were designing a Polynesian line, I would have gone Tonga > Samoa/Fiji > Hawai'i (or Samoa > Tonga/Fiji > Hawai'i) myself.
It is a strange choice. If I were designing a Polynesian line, I would have gone Tonga > Samoa/Fiji > Hawai'i (or Samoa > Tonga/Fiji > Hawai'i) myself.
I suspect it's a situation similar to the Khmer/Majapahit. They wanted both the Maori and Hawaii, and they technically both fit in the same Age. But they wanted a full 3 Age Polynesian line with relatively familiar names. So, when Tonga gets here, it will be converted to Antiquity like the Khmer. And Hawaii is converted to Exploration. Hawaii is a little better suited to it than the Maori, as the Maori had adapted to New Zealand's more substantial landmass and didn't do as much wayfaring. I'm assuming Hawaii is going to get settlers or all civilian units with the ability to cross open ocean at the beginning of Exploration without researching the usual techs. I expect the Maori in the Modern Age, eventually, giving Polynesia a full three Age line.
And Trung didn't make a good Siames Leaders. Vietnamese are very much Sinic to me, their culture is not Hindic at all, while all the three Southeast Asian civs are strongly Hindic. where Pali-Sanskrit has found its way to their languages.
I predict Hawaii will be announced along its leader, Disney’s Moana. Moana will have two personas, one of which is accessed by linking your Disney + account to your Firaxis account.
All of this will be announced live at the Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade when the Moana 2 float hits 34th Street on Thursday morning Eastern Time.
Don't give them any ideas.
Wait what if it's actually Maui instead? He was more of a folk hero and legendary chief in real life, rather than being worshipped as a deity, plus he was a Hero in Civ 6 like Himiko.
I've always thought "two co-regent leaders on the same screen" would be a fun gimmick--Ferdinand and Isabella, Ramesses and Nefertary, Akhenaten and Nefertiti, the Trung sisters, maybe not the purely mythological Hunahpu and Xbalanque but... You're right, though, that they wouldn't fit well on the awful new diplomacy screen.
Santa Claus leads the North Pole Elven Kingdom.
Santa: 30% Production on Elves workshop, Generates 0 Grievances, Can not declare war. Unlocks Unique Resource: Presents
Elven Kingdom:
Gain 30% production of buildings on Tundra and ice tiles. 30 percent food and hammers yields. May only build one city, Can not capture/ annex any settlements Start Bias: Northern Tundra tiles
UU: Santa's Sleigh, gain 30 tourism any city on the planet once per turn, may only build one.
Unique Building Elves's workshop, replaces the factory, increased culture per turn, generates tourism points. Must be built adjacent to city center.
Unique Building: Santa's Castle: Acts as a fortification, Generates happiness per turn to all other civilizations, generates tourism and culture.
Unique Quarter: North Pole: Provides infinite Celebration, builds Santa's Sleigh once completed.
Unique Tradition: Krampus: Happiness penalty to all civs with negative global grievance balance
What do we think is the justification for Hawaii in the exploration age?
Their unification came thoroughly in the modern age, and they settled rather than ventured - it was precursor Polynesians that were the explorers. So I'm intrigued by the reasoning for them to be placed in exploration. I see them as a Mexico / America equivalent of Oceania and I would have thought some of their precursors would have fit the theme of the exploration a bit better?
Obviously Firaxis will explain their rationale, but the way I see it, I think Hawai’i in the Exploration Age perfectly fits their likely Civ 7 implementation.
The Kingdom may not have been unified until the 1790s, but the culture certainly was established long before Kamehameha I. The unified kingdom actually represented a period of stark population decline for the islands, and obviously culminated in its colonisation and annexation by the United States.
Whereas by focusing on the earlier period, Civ 7 can feature a civilisation that represents the migration of the Polynesians into the archipelago in the 900s as you explore and settle small islands on the newly revealed map, which you then turn into your core territory for the age. This represents the development and spread of Hawai’ian culture (and its strict religion and societal code of laws) as a unique civilisation arising from oceanic exploration. I think this is more in the spirit of the gameplay we would expect after Civ 5’s Polynesia and Civ 6’s Māori, which are I think pretty fun and popular with players. As to why they picked Hawai’i rather than any other Polynesian culture, I think it’s largely audience familiarity…
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Even if there is no big modern age full livestream reveal hopefully Firaxis are filled with Christmas spirit and they give us something a bit more juicy in December before the holiday break 
