CIV6 Civs and Leaders

[noto2]

yes. Ignoring the bad BE choices, Civ games need a minimum of 16ish civs/leaders/whatever in the base game so that you can have replay ability. Being able to random the opponents and NOT get the same few over and over again means the game will be playable for longer - which is the point for Civ games.



I think 16 is fine, if they can actually make them all unique and balanced. I'm objecting to having 30-40 civs where only about 10 of them are actually worth playing.

In Civ 5 there are a litany of civs that have a pathetic design.

The Ottomans - stealing ships? Really?

Carthage - a free harbour... that's it? Oh, crossing mountains. Wow.

The Huns - faster razing, hardly enough for the basis of a UA. The early rush theme at least gives them something. How many of you really enjoy playing the Huns and play them often?

Songhai - more plunder taking a city. Start with amphibious. Okay, you'll barely notice this.

Spain - you found a natural wonder 50 turns into the game and got 100 gold for it. Wow. There are no NW in a position for you to grab with a city. Cool. You basically have no UA.



I could go on. Now compare those crap designs to civs that were designed well. These are civs that are powerful enough to make you care about their advantages, and their traits demand that you adapt your gameplay to make use of them.

Rome - you have to plan how to make use of your UA, prioritizing build orders in the capital, but it's a very useful ability.

Germany - The Hanse is the best UB in the game, but only if you make sure you max your CS trade routes

India - A challenging start but an extremely powerful UA if you do it properly

Byzantium - again, a challenge to get an early religion, but if you plan and execute properly you can synergize some amazing bonuses.


^^ I want more civs like that. So if the deveopers can only release the game with 12 well designed civs, I'd rather have 12 well designed civs than 20 civs where only 5 of them are worth playing.

 

[MadDjinn]

^^ I want more civs like that. So if the deveopers can only release the game with 12 well designed civs, I'd rather have 12 well designed civs than 20 civs where only 5 of them are worth playing.

well yes, well designed civs are better than a spam of civs.

plus, spam of civs would eat up too much dev bandwidth and reduce their ability to do gameplay.

 

[m15a]

And let's not throw civs that no one's ever heard of in the game just for political correctness, like the Shoshone. Come on. If the Shoshone can be in the game, why aren't the Nubians and Hittitites in it? Where is Sumeria, etc.

I agree, why throw in civs "no one" has heard of just for political correctness when there are already so many other good reasons to do so?

 

[Browd]

Moderator Action: Civ 6 Civilization/Leader threads merged.

 

[inthesomeday]

They weren't originally going to go with the Shoshone, but the Pueblo until the famous request by the Pueblo not to be included. Would the Pueblo have been well represented enough in mainstream Americanized pop culture to not be decried as "political correctness"? I thought the Shoshone were an excellent addition, and I'd love to see more Native American civs. Plus, saying nobody has heard of an entire culture of people is... well it makes you seem ignorant. Ever heard of the Colonialist Legacies civ mod pack? Let's get some of those in the game.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I hope America's leader really is TR. Would they get an industrial bonus or stick with the expansionist theme from 5?

 

[ferros]

I hope we get to see the following Civs (at least):

America
Arabia
Aztec
Babylon
Carthage
Celts
China
Dutch
Egypt
England
France
Germany
Greece
India
Japan
Mongolia
Native American (of some sort)
Ottoman
Persia
Portugal
Rome
Russia
Spain
Vikings
Zulu

Then they can add more in the future if it is needed, like Khmer, Korea, Maya, Inca and some more African Civs perhaps.

I also like the idea of some Civs having more than one leader, when it makes sense and the leaders as vastly different from eachothers.

 

[Talcove]

yes. Ignoring the bad BE choices, Civ games need a minimum of 16ish civs/leaders/whatever in the base game so that you can have replay ability. Being able to random the opponents and NOT get the same few over and over again means the game will be playable for longer - which is the point for Civ games.

I agree, if we don't have dozens of Civs then how are we going to do those colossal AI real-start death matches we all love?

 

[masda_gib]

I hope the Civs will be more different from each other. Either by mor extreme UAs (not just a small bonus here and there but more stuff that bend and break default rules like Assyrias or Venices UA) or more than 2 unique units/buildings/improvements per civ.

I can live with fewer(10-14) civs if that would be the case.

 

[sherbz]

As an Englishman I would like to see someone we have not seen before. So I choose Cromwell. Others that ought to be included:

France - Joan d'arc
Germany - Adolf Hitler (I know he won't be, but he was in civ 2, so why not civ 6. And if you can have Mao and Stalin then I don't see why Hitler is all that more controversial)
Rome - Agustus Ceasar
Greece - Pericles
Egypt - Tutenkhamun
Mongolia - Ghenhhis Khan
England - Cromwell
America - Roosevelt (teddy)
Zulu - Shaka
Aztec - Monty
Japan - Tokugawa
China - Mao
Russia - Stalin
Ottoman - Sullemein
Inca- Huyana Capac
Babylon - Hammurabi

That said, I'm all up for the idea of fewer cobs but more fleshed out.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

As an Englishman I would like to see someone we have not seen before. So I choose Cromwell. Others that ought to be included:

France - Joan d'arc
Germany - Adolf Hitler (I know he won't be, but he was in civ 2, so why not civ 6. And if you can have Mao and Stalin then I don't see why Hitler is all that more controversial)
Rome - Agustus Ceasar
Greece - Pericles
Egypt - Tutenkhamun
Mongolia - Ghenhhis Khan
England - Cromwell
America - Roosevelt (teddy)
Zulu - Shaka
Aztec - Monty
Japan - Tokugawa
China - Mao
Russia - Stalin
Ottoman - Sullemein
Inca- Huyana Capac
Babylon - Hammurabi

That said, I'm all up for the idea of fewer cobs but more fleshed out.

I hope for an early English leader like Alfred or Aethelstan.

The problem with Hitler is that he ruined Germany with excessive aggression. Civ tends to prefer leaders that didn't bring about the destruction of their own civ.

 

[Ryuu Falconwing]

I'm not sure I'd choose Tut for Egypt. He's famous and all, but the kid didn't really do much before he died. Ramses, Hatshepsut, even Akenhaten would be better as a choice.

 

[Talcove]

I hope for an early English leader like Alfred or Aethelstan.

I think the earliest English leader we might get would be William.

 

[lacond]

I bet Brazil will be in the first release with Dom pedro the first.

I bet there the suprise will come from south asia or pacific civ. Australia or indonesia maybe!

the white/blue nation in screenshot is not portugal, to my point. It's more an asian urban style.

 

[lacond]

As an Englishman I would like to see someone we have not seen before. So I choose Cromwell. Others that ought to be included:

France - Joan d'arc
Germany - Adolf Hitler (I know he won't be, but he was in civ 2, so why not civ 6. And if you can have Mao and Stalin then I don't see why Hitler is all that more controversial)
Rome - Agustus Ceasar
Greece - Pericles
Egypt - Tutenkhamun
Mongolia - Ghenhhis Khan
England - Cromwell
America - Roosevelt (teddy)
Zulu - Shaka
Aztec - Monty
Japan - Tokugawa
China - Mao
Russia - Stalin
Ottoman - Sullemein
Inca- Huyana Capac
Babylon - Hammurabi

That said, I'm all up for the idea of fewer cobs but more fleshed out.

Joan d'arc for France is not a good idea. She never leaded France and the symbol is too politics for the moment. In France.

François the first King of france will be really great!

 

[RohirrimElf]

My favorite civ 5 leaders i would like to make a return in civ 6. (not gameplay wise but appearance)

1) Elisabeth (England)
2) Darius 1(Persia)
3) Ghandi (India)
4) Harald Bluetooth (Denmark)
5) Suleiman (Ottomans)

 

[IronfighterXXX]

There may be Poland on release.

Polish gaming portal made interview with Ed Beach and he said (my translation):

'We very much liked the enthusiasm made by placing Poland in the game. We are pleased with this decision, because the response we received was really great.
We can not at this moment tell what civilizations will be in the game, but I'll just say that thanks to your wonderful response we still remember about Poland!'

link (in polish): http://www.gry-online.pl/S022.asp?ID=11221&STR=4

 

[IgorS]

Instead of speculating, I would like to just say what I would like to see in Civ VI.

First of all, civs I DO NOT want to have again:
The Huns - the main reason for this is them not having a city list, which for me is a very important thing.
The Shoshone - another civ with no city names, and a very weird choice for a civ, when there are so many better options among the Native Americans.
The Celts - they should be split into Britons, Gauls and the like
The Polynesians - should also be split
The Holy Romans - not really a civ
The Ottomans - why focus only on the Ottoman Empire, when you can focus on the entire Turkish history? I would call them the Turks, not the Ottomans.

Anyway, here are my suggestions of civs with two leader options, and uniques (warning, the list is very long!):

Spoiler :

The English - leaders: Elizabeth/Victoria, UU - Ship of the Line, Redcoat
The Germans - leaders: Frederick/Bismarck, UU - Death's Head Hussar, Panzer
The French - leaders: Louis/Napoleon, UU - Musketeer, UB - Chateau
The Spanish - leaders: Isabella/Charles, UU - Conquistador, Tercio
The Greeks - leaders: Pericles/Alexander, UU - Phalanx, Hetairoi
The Romans - leaders: Julius Caesar/Augustus, UU - Legion, Ballista
The Russians - leaders: Peter/Catherine, UU - Gulyay-Gorod, Leib Guard
The Arabs - leaders: Al-Walid/Harun al-Rashid, UU - Camel Archer, UB - Souq
The Babylonians - leaders: Hammurabi/Nebuchadnezzar, UU -Chariot Archer, UB - Ziggurat
The Persians - leaders: Cyrus/Darius, UU - Immortal, Cataphract
The Indians - leaders: Ashoka/Akbar, UU - War Elephant, Heavy Cannon
The Mongols - leaders: Genghis Khan/Kublai Khan, UU - Keshik, Hui-Hui Pao
The Chinese - leaders: Taizong/Kangxi, UU - Cho-Ko-Nu, Fire Lancer
The Japanese - leaders: Oda Nobunaga/Meiji, UU - Samurai, Ashigaru
The Khmer - leaders: Suryavarman/Jayavarman, UU - Ballista Elephant, UB - Baray
The Egyptians - leaders: Hatshepsut/Ramesses, UU - War Chariot, UB - Pyramid
The Songhai - leaders: Sonni Ali/Askia Mohammed, UU -Mandekalu Cavalry, Mandekalu Bowman
The Americans - leaders: Washington/Lincoln, UU - Minuteman, Flying Fortress
The Aztecs - leaders: Montezuma/Ahuitzotl, UU - Jaguar Warrior, Eagle Warrior
The Inca - leaders: Pachacuti/Huayna Capac, UU - Tupa Yauri Man, UI - Terrace Farm
The Danes - leaders: Harald Bluetooth/Margaret, UU - Berserker, Ski Infantry
The Austrians - leaders: Maria Theresa/Franz Joseph, UU - Pandur, Jager
The Hungarians - leaders: Saint Stephen/Matthias Corvinus, UU - Hussar, UB - Vegvar
The Byzantines - leaders: Justinian/Theodora, UU - Varangian Guard, Dromon
The Turks - leaders: Suleiman/Ataturk, UU - Janissary, Sipahi
The Koreans - leaders: Wang Kon/Sejong, UU - Hwacha, Kobukson
The Carthaginians - leaders: Dido/Hannibal, UU - Balearic Slinger, Quinquereme
The Zulu - leaders: Shaka/Cetshwayo, UU - Impi, UB - Kraal
The Iroquois - leaders: Hiawatha/Joseph Brant, UU - Mohawk Warrior, UB - Longhouse
The Swedes - leaders: Gustav Vasa/Gustav Adoplh, UU - Carolean, Hakkapeliitta
The Scots - leaders: Robert the Bruce/James, UU - Highlander, UB - Clan Castle
The Dutch - leaders: Willem/Wilhelmina, UU - Fluyt, UB (UI?) - Polder
The Poles - leaders: Casimir/Jan Sobieski, UU - Winged Hussar, Uhlan
The Hittites - leaders: Suppiluliuma/Puduhepa, UU - Huluganni, UB - Huwasi Stone
The Armenians - leaders: Tigranes/Tiridates, UU - Azatavrear, UB - Khachkar
The Assyrians - leaders: Sennacherib/Ashurbanipal, UU - Siege Tower, Heavy Chariot
The Nabateans - leaders: Obodas/Aretas, UU - Camel Cavalry, UB - Cistern
The Thai - leaders: Ramkhamhaeng/Naresuan, UU - Ayutthaya Elephant, UB - Wat
The Indonesians - leaders: Gajah Mada/Sultan Agung, UU - Kris Swordsman, UB - Candi
The Ethiopians - leaders: Menelik/Haile Selassie, UU - Mehal Sefari, UB - Stele
The Maya - leaders: Pacal/Lady Xoc, UU - Atlatlist, UB - Stepped Pyramid
The Lithuanians - leaders: Gediminas/Vytautas, UU - Bajoras, UB - Piliakalnis
The Portuguese - leaders: Afonso Henriques/Joao, UU - Nau, Cacador
The Kongolese - leaders: Nzinga a Nkuwu/Garcia, UU - Pombo, Levee Bowman
The Cherokee - leaders: Ostenaco/John Ross, UU - Ayastigi, UB - Seminary
The Pueblo - leaders: Pope/Luis Tupatu, UU - Tewa Warrior, UB - Kiva
The Taino - leaders: Anacaona/Gueybana, UU - Macana Wielder, UI - Conuco Farm
The Brazilians - leaders: Dom Pedro/Kubitschek, UU - BEF, Cascavel
The Australians - leaders: Parkes/Menzies, UU - Light Horseman, UI - Station
The Hawaiians - leaders: Kamehameha/Kalakaua, UU - Koa, UB - Heiau
The Romanians - leaders: Michael/Ferdinand, UU - Rosior, UB - Fortified Church
The Bulgarians - leaders: Simeon/Ivan Asen, UU - Chigot, UB - Chitalishte
The Georgians - leaders: David the Builder/Tamar, UU - Khevsur, Monaspa Lancer
The Israelites - leaders: Solomon/Salome Alexandra, UU - Slinger of Benjamin, Ekatontamachoi
The Uzbeks - leaders: Shaybani Khan/Abulgazi, UU - Nuker, UB - Madrasa
The Myanma - leaders: Anawratha/Bayinnaung, UU - Palace Guard, Cassay Horse
The Dahomey - leaders: Agaja/Ghezo, UU - Dahomey Amazon, UB - Mawu-Lisa Shrine
The Malagasy - leaders: Radama/Ranavalona, UU - Merina Rifleman, UB - Rova
The Haida - leaders: Koyah/Cumshewa, UU - War Canoe, UB - Totem Pole
The Muisca - leaders: Saguamanchica/Nemequene, UU - Guecha, UB - Sun God Temple
The Tongans - leaders: Tu'itatui/'Uluakimata, UU - Kalia, UB - Malae
The Maori - leaders: Hongi Hika/Te Rauparaha, UU - Taiaha Wielder, UB - Pa

 

[sherbz]

Joan d'arc for France is not a good idea. She never leaded France and the symbol is too politics for the moment. In France.

François the first King of france will be really great!

Meh, she was in civ 3.

 

[RohirrimElf]

Which leaders have actually been confirmed so far?