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[Morningcalm]

What's wrong with Dido and Wu Zetian though? Especially Wu has such an interesting background story, I love her. I loved her design in Civ V even though it looked a little clowny.

Her UA, UU and UB were all perfect, a very nice, balanced, thematic composition in my opinion. Playing as China feels very "whole", from the colour-scheme to the little yet noticeable bonuses.

I think China was one of the most balanced and well-designed Civs in Civ V. I don't really care how historically relevant a leader is, after all they're just characters for a really advanced board game.

We should be happy they're not going back to the traditional silver racing car - cannon - boot lineup

Wu was not a respected leader in China. Yes, her rise to power was interesting, but like Cersei Lannister, she was terribad at ruling, and just good at holding onto power (through murder borne of jealousy, intrigue, and scandalous sex). Good riddance to her. Qin Shi Huang Di, while arguably even more cruel than Wu, did accomplish rather amazing things (unified language, currency, monuments, etc).

I am fond of Dido though. I think her leader screen was the best in Gods and Kings, from the music to the moon-theme (suitable given her association with a moon deity). There are also surprisingly pieces of evidence as to Dido's actual historical existence, which is cool. Female founder and ruler of one of the most powerful ancient states is a cool story, bro.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Hanging Gardens is 15% growth in all cities must be built next to a river

It'll be interesting to see how many other food buffs there are, and what the base yields are. Hard to evaluate the power of that out of context, but it looks pretty good. Aztec's Floating Gardens were a solid building due to that buff.

We should be happy they're not going back to the traditional silver racing car - cannon - boot lineup

Dibs on wheelbarrow.

Shrine gives 2 faith and 1 Gr. Prophet point. So, it looks like accumulating faith alone won't generate a GP?

Probably a good change. Never liked breaking Great Prophets out of the GPP pool, or the random walk nature of the spawn.

 

[SupremacyKing2]

Great Library. Must be built on flat land adjacent to a campus district with a library.

2 science 1 Great Science point, 2 slots for great works of writing. Receive boosts to all ancient and classical era technologies.

I am really liking the terrain requirements for wonders. It forces the player to give more thought to building wonders instead of previous civ games where the player with high production could just spam wonders.

 

[SMcM]

She knew Civ 5 had female leaders she called Dido and another her girls. Really just drop it. Having seen another couple streams on that site the team we got was the best option by far for civ.

Maybe I'm just cynical, but I never believe interviewers for video game companies when they talk about having played games. They always sound scripted, and they'd have no lives if they really played all the games they claim to have. I imagine the interviewer was given a script before going in. Course I'm probably just being judgmental

 

[SMcM]

Wu was not a respected leader in China. Yes, her rise to power was interesting, but like Cersei Lannister, she was terribad at ruling, and just good at holding onto power (through murder borne of jealousy, intrigue, and scandalous sex). Good riddance to her. Qin Shi Huang Di, while arguably even more cruel than Wu, did accomplish rather amazing things (unified language, currency, monuments, etc).

I am fond of Dido though. I think her leader screen was the best in Gods and Kings, from the music to the moon-theme (suitable given her association with a moon deity). There are also surprisingly pieces of evidence as to Dido's actual historical existence, which is cool. Female founder and ruler of one of the most powerful ancient states is a cool story, bro.

I'd still take Hannibal anyway; he was a lot more important in my eyes.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

It'll be interesting to see how many other food buffs there are, and what the base yields are. Hard to evaluate the power of that out of context, but it looks pretty good. Aztec's Floating Gardens were a solid building due to that buff.



Dibs on wheelbarrow.



Probably a good change. Never liked breaking Great Prophets out of the GPP pool, or the random walk nature of the spawn.

This is also the same for Great Generals and most likely Admirals.

As Barracks I believe gave GG points.

Given the new GP system I'm not surprised.

 

[yung.carl.jung]

Wu was not a respected leader in China. Yes, her rise to power was interesting, but like Cersei Lannister, she was terribad at ruling, and just good at holding onto power (through murder borne of jealousy, intrigue, and scandalous sex). Good riddance to her. Qin Shi Huang Di, while arguably even more cruel than Wu, did accomplish rather amazing things (unified language, currency, monuments, etc).

I am fond of Dido though. I think her leader screen was the best in Gods and Kings, from the music to the moon-theme (suitable given her association with a moon deity). There are also surprisingly pieces of evidence as to Dido's actual historical existence, which is cool. Female founder and ruler of one of the most powerful ancient states is a cool story, bro.

I meant it in this way: What is wrong with in in-game iteration of Wu Zetian? I don't really care for her actual achievements to be frank. We have Cleopatra as leader of Egypt and she's not even Egyptian Montezuma is displayed as a crazy, brutal warmongerer who dressed like a ritual dancer.. Washington's Unique Unit is the B17 Bomber, I could go on and on and on

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I wonder what Stables have that would make them a decent alternative to Barracks.

 

[Acken]

I like what I've seen of that game so far.

It'll be interesting to see how many other food buffs there are, and what the base yields are. Hard to evaluate the power of that out of context, but it looks pretty good. Aztec's Floating Gardens were a solid building due to that buff.

Worth saying that the floating gardens are so good because it's 15% buff to food, not surplus growth.

 

[m15a]

'Give me some lady leaders'

Really? If she has any knowledge of civ 5, she'd know that Firaxis already has female leaders covered. Hell, we've already axed Ramsses for Cleopatra. Civ 5 should not have had either Wu Zetain or Dido anyway. Why should it even matter what gender characters are? I thought we were progressive these days or something. Actively avoiding male leaders even if they are most suitable is just discrimination.

Really? If you had any knowledge of Civ, you'd know that Firaxis already has male leaders covered.

I'm being facetious, but that's basically how you're responding to the comment the interviewer made. Nobody said anything about actively avoiding male leaders. The interviewer expressed a preference.

Maybe I'm just cynical, but I never believe interviewers for video game companies when they talk about having played games. They always sound scripted, and they'd have no lives if they really played all the games they claim to have. I imagine the interviewer was given a script before going in. Course I'm probably just being judgmental

I doubt that the interviewer was given a script that talked about how multiplayer doesn't work well in Civ V or the late game being not as interesting as the early game - not without Ed being ready to give a good response.

I think it's worth noting that the Civ playing experience of the female interviewer is a topic of discussion while the experience of the other interviewers hasn't come up. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, but I think it's at least worth recognizing that this is very trend - to assume that men are qualified for the job they're doing while it has to be proven that women are qualified for the job they're doing, especially in gaming.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Worth saying that the floating gardens are so good because it's 15% buff to food, not surplus growth.

That is a significant difference, especially as the game goes on and the food box gets large. But the tooltip could also be wrong/misleading.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

I meant it in this way: What is wrong with in in-game iteration of Wu Zetian?

She speaks modern Mandarin instead of an older dialect that shoild sound more like Cantonese.
She uses the wrong pronoun and title for herself in her intriduction.
She uses her birth name Zetian when she ruled as Wu Zhao.
She became empress in her sixties. I know that Asian women often look younger than they are, but this is just ridiculous.

Edit: In her defense, her reputation as a ruler is so bad because she was a Buddhist and the men who wrote the history about her in China believed that a woman had no business ruling and that Buddhism was a corrupting influence on Chinese culture.
And Qin Shi Huang also wasn't as cruel as Han historians made him out to be, although he later went quite mad, probably due to neurological damage caused by all the mercury he was ingesting with the experimental immortality potions his alchemists produced.

 

[Thormodr]

'Give me some lady leaders'

Really? If she has any knowledge of civ 5, she'd know that Firaxis already has female leaders covered. Hell, we've already axed Ramsses for Cleopatra. Civ 5 should not have had either Wu Zetain or Dido anyway. Why should it even matter what gender characters are? I thought we were progressive these days or something. Actively avoiding male leaders even if they are most suitable is just discrimination.

Considering the awfully simplistic leaderscenes, it seems to me only reasonable that there should be multiple leaders per civ. I suppose this way, we could easily deal with gender imbalance; we could have both sensible leader choices and also leaders who would prevent gender imbalance, e.g. Hannibal and Dido and Qin Shi Huang and Wu Zetain. We could compensate for civs such as the Mongols not having viable female leaders by not including male leaders for other nations, like Russia or The Iceni.

Actually, the Mongols have some excellent candidates for female leaders.

Toregene, for example. She kept things together in the 1240s and was an exceptional woman. The Mongol Empire might have even collapsed at that time without her.

Khutulun would be also be great. A great warrior with a strong personality.
She refused to marry anyone who could not defeat her in a wrestling match and the story goes that she never lost and won over 10,000 horses in the process.

Manduhai the Wise would be another excellent choice. Anyone who fights a battle while pregnant with twins gets my vote.

This is an excellent book on the subject that I highly recommend:

The Secret History of the Mongol Queens: How the Daughters of Genghis Khan Rescued His Empire by Jack Weatherford.

https://www.amazon.com/Secret-History-Mongol-Queens-Daughters/dp/0307407160?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0

Anyway, I hope the leader screens indicate multiple leaders per Civ. That would be an excellent re-addition to the series.

 

[Civciv5]

She uses her birth name Zetian when she ruled as Wu Zhao.

It's actually the other way around, she ruled as "Emperor Zetian", Zhao was her personal name.

She became empress in her sixties. I know that Asian women often look younger than they are, but this is just ridiculous.

She ruled China for 50 years, starting when she was de facto regent at 30 years old.

 

[SemperFi2382]

Maybe I'm just cynical, but I never believe interviewers for video game companies when they talk about having played games. They always sound scripted, and they'd have no lives if they really played all the games they claim to have. I imagine the interviewer was given a script before going in. Course I'm probably just being judgmental

To be fair, most interviewers are not going to ask the questions the hardcore fans want, but the casual and uninformed (aka new to the series) player base. Think about it, any commercial, sales pitch, etc is not going to have a lot of information. It will be buzzwords, and things to make you want to look up more. Every single one of these interviews (for pretty much every game every) are just that. Even when asked very specific questions, all were met with generic answers (unless it was something clearly shown already). Rarely are we going to get actual hardcore info on these kinds of interviews, super fan or not.

As far as having played as many games they have claimed to have played, you would be surprised. Again this is more that having playing it does not equate to having clocked thousands of hours into each one. Considering you can clear a lot of games in under 8 hours, it's not an impossible task to have played enough games to have some knowledge on them.

 

[blackcatatonic]

Found a vid on youtube. Good quality and pauseable, but ot looks like a screengrab and the actual gameplay is in a window. The tooltips are readable if you're close enough to your screen.


Link to video.

10:53 - 'if you want to turn on cycling through a day/night cycle when you play the game, you can do that'

Hooray!

 

[Redaxe]

Shrine gives 2 faith and 1 Gr. Prophet point. So, it looks like accumulating faith alone won't generate a GP?

Excellent - separating faith and Great Prophets is a good thing. Hopefully that means there is more you can do with faith in the early game rather then save for a religion.

It would be good to see early minor/pagan pantheon religions a bit like the native American civs in Conquest of the New World Deluxe had access to.

On another note I'm not fond of the icon for the Hagia Sophia. Why do they insist on putting minarets around it? The original cathedral was never built with minarets and they weren't there until the Ottomans added them nearly 1000 years later. The building was designed without minarets and they actually devalue the appearance of the building as it takes away from the dome - which is what the building wraps around

 

[UncivilizedGuy]

Nice animations, the world looks alive. I like how the social policies are puzzled together. Can't wait!

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Excellent - separating faith and Great Prophets is a good thing. Hopefully that means there is more you can do with faith in the early game rather then save for a religion.

It would be good to see early minor/pagan pantheon religions a bit like the native American civs in Conquest of the New World Deluxe had access to.

On another note I'm not fond of the icon for the Hagia Sophia. Why do they insist on putting minarets around it? The original cathedral was never built with minarets and they weren't there until the Ottomans added them nearly 1000 years later. The building was designed without minarets and they actually devalue the appearance of the building as it takes away from the dome - which is what the building wraps around

Given that it's confirmed each GP has a unique ability, I wonder how this applies to Great Prophets, I kinda hope it means that we get unique belief with each Prophet or another similiar bonus.

 

[spfun]

I don't like the shown combat animations much. Musketman falling back on there heads and the horses not dying but running off. I noticed some inconsistent length as well with a knight attacking a barb and the animation lasted quite some seconds longer than a pikeman attacking a barb. Can't tell if the bombers animations are finally shortened or that's just video editing.

Speaking of which, video is obviously not normal gameplay. Things like able to build warriors/spearman in the modern age. And the fact Xian is size 40 but with housing limit of 26. Building things in 1 turn and showing off the space victory but only having +40ish science per turn.