There is very little factual reason not buy game because of denuvo if you really WANT the game.
Performance is one thing, but that isn't my principle concern (I have a high end enough system to likely absorb whatever impact there might be, or can wait it out for any impact to be negated with fixes). My main concern are the kernel level drivers that Denuvo uses. Kernel level access is woefully overly permissive for a tool designed to ensure you didnt steal the software or that you dont cheat (which for me doesnt matter as I play Civ single player only). MS appears to have a path forward to remove 3rd party access to the kernel, at least as much as possible after the incident on July 19th with Crowdstrike. If MS is planning or working on pushing security vendors out of the kernel, I dont see why they would allow other 3rd part software to keep their fingers in the kernel. There is no financial reason to allow one and not the other, and there is a reputational risk to keep some 3rd party software having that access while removing (or reducing) security related software from said access.
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Mirroring what Quintillus already said: would that help? Would people believe 2K in that hypothetical?
I could be summarising various posts in the thread incorrectly but the product in VII is "anti-tamper", and not the "anti-cheat" product with kernel access. There's also some confusion around a full Denuvo DRM system and Anti-Tamper by itself.
Denuvo Anti Tamper, which does not affect performance and is not kernel level, has not been cracked in about 2 years. It’s widely bemoaned as “uncrackable” by pirates.
You don't know this to be true.
I don't see why it must be 2K posting. There are plenty of Firaxis posters here who could pass along a message to us.
There’s zero proof of it beyond unverified circular claims on forums that all cite each other. The burden of proof goes on those making the claim. At any rate, a good 95% of this thread is people confusing Denuvo Anti Tamper with Denuvo Anti Cheat.
And yet, the developers of Humankind specifically said that they removed Denuvo from the game just before release because it was negatively impacting performance and they couldn't fix it in time. That's pretty strong evidence that Denuvo anti-tamper can impact performance.
This does sound impressive. But is there literally any major game which doesn't go to torrent very soon after release?
I’n not sure you understood my post. The answer to your question is yes—literally every single major game with Denuvo in the last ~2 years remains uncracked on torrents. Denuvo works.
Can you provide game titles so I can check with Google?
Honestly I am interested.
Google “games with Denuvo” and go from there.Can you provide game titles so I can check with Google?
So you aren't aware of any?
I’m aware of plenty, many of which have been named in this very thread, but you said you were going to google anyway so I figured it’d be more meaningful for you to discover the answers yourself
You have gravely misunderstood things. Denuvo version meant for preventing piracy (denuvo anti-tamper) does not have drivers. Kernel or otherwise.Performance is one thing, but that isn't my principle concern (I have a high end enough system to likely absorb whatever impact there might be, or can wait it out for any impact to be negated with fixes). My main concern are the kernel level drivers that Denuvo uses. Kernel level access is woefully overly permissive for a tool designed to ensure you didnt steal the software or that you dont cheat (which for me doesnt matter as I play Civ single player only). MS appears to have a path forward to remove 3rd party access to the kernel, at least as much as possible after the incident on July 19th with Crowdstrike. If MS is planning or working on pushing security vendors out of the kernel, I dont see why they would allow other 3rd part software to keep their fingers in the kernel. There is no financial reason to allow one and not the other, and there is a reputational risk to keep some 3rd party software having that access while removing (or reducing) security related software from said access.
Some Links: https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/kernel-mode-under-microscope-at-windows-security-summit-a-26280
CrowdStrike—How Microsoft Will Protect 8.5 Million Windows Machines
Just over a week after the botched CrowdStrike update caused millions of Windows-based machines to crash, Microsoft has published its analysis of the outage.
It's a 2K decision, is my assumption. In this hypothetical, you're suggesting 2K tell Firaxis to communicate something on their behalf, and suffer whatever response likewise (good or bad).
Indeed, You might be right.
