Civ7 now includes Denuvo

[VGT]

But I don't see what benefit they would have from replying in this thread. Would posting, "We believe that including Denuvo will increase sales by $XYZ and therefore it's a good idea" really make the Denuvo detractors happy? Or convinced?

I'm in the "final nail in the coffin, disappointed long fan" camp. It killed all my excitement for the game, that I didn't watch anything about it since. In the beggining it was all good. Another civ for long time civ fan. But then. First I was pissed when I tried to order collector's edition and cost of delivery itself was on the level of AAA game price. So I bailed. Then noticing that there are DLC's for stupid things like "fog of war tiles" showed my that 2K finally making Firaxis bend the knee and force them to add what I saw years ago in 2K financial reports, that every game under their umbrella will have monetization strategies. And then denuvo crap as final nail. And I don't have that much problem with denuvo itself, but more in the way it was handled. It's obvious that sales are main reason. What I would like to hear from them, is honest explanation why release page day one didn't have it, but it showed up later. This pissed me off the most. Because if they are silent about it, real reason was that they know it's bad for marketing, so they hide it in the beginning to bump up preorders. And it makes me disgusted by them.

 

[pokiehl]

It's obvious that sales are main reason.

…Yes? I don’t think the purpose of anti-tamper software is in question. We’re talking about a business whose purpose is to make money, and a solution designed to prevent piracy and protect sales.

 

[VGT]

…Yes? I don’t think the purpose of anti-tamper software is in question. We’re talking about a business whose purpose is to make money, and a solution designed to prevent piracy and protect sales.

Not fully understand, to what you're responding here. I was quoting post that put into question good reason to have response from 2K/Firaxis, because reason to have denuvo is quite obvious. I agreed with that but listed what else I would see gladly as response/explanation from them.

 

[pokiehl]

Not fully understand, to what you're responding here. I was quoting post that put into question good reason to have response from 2K/Firaxis, because reason to have denuvo is quite obvious. I agreed with that but listed what else I would see gladly as response/explanation from them.

Ah, gotcha. I would argue that the primary reason for literally anything a game studio does is to make money first and foremost, though. Cosmetics are a great way for games to generate revenue.

 

[VGT]

Ah, gotcha. I would argue that the primary reason for literally anything a game studio does is to make money first and foremost, though. Cosmetics are a great way for games to generate revenue.

Sure, I agree and even not condemn, as long as maximizing profits is done in moral way. But as mentioned above they weren't handling this release in moral way in my opinion.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Google “games with Denuvo” and go from there.

So you aren't aware of any?

Some people are just so lazy.
2024 games with Denuvo:

Full list of games using Denuvo (2024)

Protection is important.

progameguides.com

Games with Denuvo

'Denuvo Mega List' a list of games by leybbbo | Backloggd

This is a comprehensive list of all the games that currently have Denuvo AntiTamper in their latest official patch Games with Denuvo that have been rereleased without Denuvo on another platform eg Lords of The Fallen 2014 or Deus Ex Mankind Divided are omitted Unreleased games are not included...

www.backloggd.com

 

[Core Imposter]

Well, I read almost all of this thread and learned some things. I am leaning towards buying several of the new competing titles in the 4x space. I think competition is good and will eventually lead to someone making a really good game. I can buy Civ 7 later if it surpasses my expectations and any concerns about Denuvo prove false or it is removed.

 

[Riconatic]

Well, I read almost all of this thread and learned some things. I am leaning towards buying several of the new competing titles in the 4x space. I think competition is good and will eventually lead to someone making a really good game. I can buy Civ 7 later if it surpasses my expectations and any concerns about Denuvo prove false or it is removed.

In interest of discussion can you elaborate your specific concerns?

 

[StargazingDog]

Well, I read almost all of this thread and learned some things. I am leaning towards buying several of the new competing titles in the 4x space. I think competition is good and will eventually lead to someone making a really good game. I can buy Civ 7 later if it surpasses my expectations and any concerns about Denuvo prove false or it is removed.

You could just buy the game on any of the three consoles. It's what I am doing. As an added bonus, you buy the physical edition that can be sold or traded away if you don't enjoy the game.

 

[playshogi]

In interest of discussion can you elaborate your specific concerns?

Does denuvo take up space on my computer or otherwise be active even when I am not playing the game such as always loading when I turn on my computer?

 

[Riconatic]

Does denuvo take up space on my computer or otherwise be active even when I am not playing the game such as always loading when I turn on my computer?

1. It does no take any special room from your computer.
2. No. Nothing runs on your computer when you quit Civ VII.

 

[Kilroy Was Here]

There is one person out there known to be able to crack Denuvo, but also nobody likes working with her or interacting with her due to her being an extreme bigot (who includes her views in her releases, lol) so her work very rarely gets traction.

 

[The_J]

Not to mention that any actual discussion about this will summon the wrath of the moderators .

 

[Solver]

So without rehashing all the reasons I'm against Denuvo, there's been technical confirmation by Valve that Civ7's Linux builds are native (which was also implied before). That means the Linux build will be free of Denuvo, as the software doesn't support Linux (not to be confused with the Denuvo anti-cheat, which does). This is good news for players like me at least, I'm on Linux 99% of the time anyway and this gives me an easy way to play Civ7 without installing Denuvo.

 

[Zoeff]

So without rehashing all the reasons I'm against Denuvo, there's been technical confirmation by Valve that Civ7's Linux builds are native (which was also implied before). That means the Linux build will be free of Denuvo, as the software doesn't support Linux (not to be confused with the Denuvo anti-cheat, which does). This is good news for players like me at least, I'm on Linux 99% of the time anyway and this gives me an easy way to play Civ7 without installing Denuvo.

Is it actually? Source?

Wouldn't that leave a gaping hole in the anti-piracy measures making it entirely pointless? Or are they just assuming that very few people will want the hassle of a linux build when they pirate a game.

Either way it'll be interesting to look at the performance of a native linux build vs a windows + denuvo build.

 

[Solver]

The native build was earlier implied since the store page lists Civ7 as Linux-supporting, that icon per Steam policy should mean a native build, not Proton. The confirmation was a few days ago when Civ7 got the Deck Verified status, having completed Valve's process. With that, Civ7's Deck configuration had the recommended_runtime variable set to "native", which means it's a native Linux build.

I'm sure the publisher assumption is that the under 2% market share of desktop Linux players isn't a hole in the anti-piracy system. Since the whole thing is more based on perception than actual evidence anyway, that's likely not a problem, and I'm also sure that the number of people who will go through the trouble of setting up Linux just to pirate Civ7 is extremely small.

 

[Xyael]

What the issue with Denuvo ? Performances ?

 

[BackseatTyrant]

What the issue with Denuvo ? Performances ?

AFAIK, Denuvo has only been a performance issue in games that use its anti-cheat services. In this case, it's more that its inclusion implies that 2K has mandated Firaxis to have a considerable amount of the game hardcoded, i.e. un-moddable

 

[Solver]

What the issue with Denuvo ? Performances ?

You can go back to the first pages of the thread to see lots of opinions on that. For me, it ultimately comes down to Denuvo being made by the same people who were making Sony's DRM. The company that makes Denuvo isn't Sony but they're a corporate spinoff of one of Sony's DRM groups. I consider the way Sony has historically handled DRM, both on a technical and a management level, to be unacceptable anti-consumer behavior and consequently I don't trust the company behind Denuvo. So I'm not installing any software they make.

 

[Riconatic]

So without rehashing all the reasons I'm against Denuvo, there's been technical confirmation by Valve that Civ7's Linux builds are native (which was also implied before). That means the Linux build will be free of Denuvo, as the software doesn't support Linux (not to be confused with the Denuvo anti-cheat, which does). This is good news for players like me at least, I'm on Linux 99% of the time anyway and this gives me an easy way to play Civ7 without installing Denuvo.

There is no ”installed denuvo” with windows version either.