Civilization Elimination II
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Mango Elephant
Deity
MathNerd
High on math (a, not e)
+ Rome
-2 China
-2 China
arya126
Squad Leader
-2 china
+1 america
+1 america
Mango Elephant
Deity
China +
America -
America -
Turquoiside
Emperor
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Aysee, Khmer was eliminated a while ago.
+ Sumer
- Britain
+ Sumer
- Britain
Spoiler :
Reiser
Young Christian
I'll go ahead and eliminate Mongolia.
+1 Germany
-2 Mongolia (dead)
+1 Germany
-2 Mongolia (dead)
Bobbtjoe
Emperor
Oh noes! I live there!
America +1
Japan -2
America +1
Japan -2
ilduce349
(Financial, Philo)
Japan +
America --
if Japan had won at Midway, which they should have, they had better ships, more ships, better admirals. Those
ing bombers couldn't do before that battle so how could they take out 3 carriers and 4 battleships before the battleships managed to fire at the Americans??? It was those kamikazes that were unable to do their job, and that was why they lost. There tactics gave them victories against Russia, French, Dutch, Chinese, British, so why couldn't they do against the Americans???). Also lets not forget those bombers where reinforcements, that came midway through the battle, had Joseph Rochefort not cracked Japanese codes, they wouldn't have come, and America would have lost. IT WAS PURE LUCK!!!) the Americans wouldn't have won the war until 1953 at earliest, they might not have even won. It depends on how well Germany did. And with the lack of a navy, Germany would have had a large enough U-boat force in Atlantic, and America wouldn't have been able to land in Africa or France. Germany could then focus there attention on Russia, who without US or British aid would be add odds with Germany. All they would have had to do was play Rommel on the eastern front, hope he would repeat the miracles he performed in France and Africa, and beating Russia would have been easy (and based on the plans he submitted to repel the Normandy invasion, he was more then capable at the time.) With Japan cutting off Aid in the east, china loosing to Japan. Iran, ally of Germany would have been the only way to supply weapons to Russia. Germany, who was idiotic at the time, should have sent weapons to Iran to keep America out. had they done that, Russia would have been alone, temporally. Strike in those 6 months, and Hitler takes Russia. Effectively, the battle in which Japan outnumbered america in 1942 was the reason why they lost the war. Play the nuke card, doesn't work, it wasn't until the 70's that America developed Nuclear weapons that could cross the Pacific Ocean. Because Japan owned everything in Range to them, they couldn't have been nuked. JAPAN WOULD HAVE WON WW2 IF THEY WON AT MIDWAY!!!
America --
if Japan had won at Midway, which they should have, they had better ships, more ships, better admirals. Those
ing bombers couldn't do before that battle so how could they take out 3 carriers and 4 battleships before the battleships managed to fire at the Americans??? It was those kamikazes that were unable to do their job, and that was why they lost. There tactics gave them victories against Russia, French, Dutch, Chinese, British, so why couldn't they do against the Americans???). Also lets not forget those bombers where reinforcements, that came midway through the battle, had Joseph Rochefort not cracked Japanese codes, they wouldn't have come, and America would have lost. IT WAS PURE LUCK!!!) the Americans wouldn't have won the war until 1953 at earliest, they might not have even won. It depends on how well Germany did. And with the lack of a navy, Germany would have had a large enough U-boat force in Atlantic, and America wouldn't have been able to land in Africa or France. Germany could then focus there attention on Russia, who without US or British aid would be add odds with Germany. All they would have had to do was play Rommel on the eastern front, hope he would repeat the miracles he performed in France and Africa, and beating Russia would have been easy (and based on the plans he submitted to repel the Normandy invasion, he was more then capable at the time.) With Japan cutting off Aid in the east, china loosing to Japan. Iran, ally of Germany would have been the only way to supply weapons to Russia. Germany, who was idiotic at the time, should have sent weapons to Iran to keep America out. had they done that, Russia would have been alone, temporally. Strike in those 6 months, and Hitler takes Russia. Effectively, the battle in which Japan outnumbered america in 1942 was the reason why they lost the war. Play the nuke card, doesn't work, it wasn't until the 70's that America developed Nuclear weapons that could cross the Pacific Ocean. Because Japan owned everything in Range to them, they couldn't have been nuked. JAPAN WOULD HAVE WON WW2 IF THEY WON AT MIDWAY!!!
ilduce349
(Financial, Philo)
The only reason I voted against them was because you voted against Japan
HAHA
MY FIRST ELIMINATION ON THIS SITE!!!!
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Okay, first of all, they didn't start employing Kamikazes until 1944. Second...
The Bombers got lost, and by pure luck managed to show up at a time when they were refueling and reloading. Yes, I'll give it to you that they kind of won by luck here, and there were certainly several more places where the Americans and British won by luck. But, generally, it was less "luck" and more "The Axis powers were ********." Seriously, just look at some of their tactics and military actions. They could have been beaten by a Chieftain-level Civilization AI, for christ's sake.
I don't want to go OT, but I can't let obvious historical inaccuracies to go unaddressed...
Better ships, perhaps, better admirals, debatable, more ships, definitely not. The United States massively outproduce Japan and would win the war by sheer industrial might whatever the Japanese do.
Even if they had won at Midway, Japan would only be delaying the inevitable Allied victory.
Kamikazes were a desparate, last resort tactic employed by Japan at the end of the war, when they ran out of skilled pilots.
Japan defeated Russia three decades before the outbreak of World War II, and it wasn't a complete victory (Portsmouth was a negotiated peace, not a Russian surrender). In the 1930s, the Japanese lost two battles to the Soviets in Mongolia and they didn't dare challenge them again for the entirety of World War II, and in 1945 the Soviet Union totally pwned the Kwantung Army and captured all of Manchuria and North Korea within days.
Anyone could beat the French, but then, the Japanese didn't expel the French from Indochina until the start of 1945, because they didn't had the resources to govern the territory. So while they had military access they continue to use Vichy French administrators. At the time, France was already defeated and only a small force remained to protect Indochina, so a Japanese military victory was predictable.
Same with the Dutch - the Netherlands was already defeated and their colonies were vulnerable.
The IJA seized coastal China in 1937 in a blitzkrieg and then stopped. Or were forced to stop. They couldn't beat the Chinese, who held out against the Japanese in rough terrain with sheer manpower, using guerrila tactics to harass the Japanese forces.
The Japanese campaign against the British was impressive, but it was unlikely they could ever take Australia. Or India. Which were what really counted if they want to force a peace treaty on the Allies.
That's unlikely. The United States had two fleets anyway - the Pacific and the Atlantic. It's not like all their ships were in the Pacific.
They'd still lose. Like they lost North Africa. The Soviet Union had everything on their side - time, geography, manpower, industry, oil, allies, less-insane leaders...
No they wouldn't. The United States would just build more ships and retake all the islands and then nuke Japan to finish it off. It'd just be a little later than scheduled.
Japan -2
America +1
Better ships, perhaps, better admirals, debatable, more ships, definitely not. The United States massively outproduce Japan and would win the war by sheer industrial might whatever the Japanese do.
Even if they had won at Midway, Japan would only be delaying the inevitable Allied victory.
Kamikazes were a desparate, last resort tactic employed by Japan at the end of the war, when they ran out of skilled pilots.
There tactics gave them victories against Russia, French, Dutch, Chinese, British, so why couldn't they do
Japan defeated Russia three decades before the outbreak of World War II, and it wasn't a complete victory (Portsmouth was a negotiated peace, not a Russian surrender). In the 1930s, the Japanese lost two battles to the Soviets in Mongolia and they didn't dare challenge them again for the entirety of World War II, and in 1945 the Soviet Union totally pwned the Kwantung Army and captured all of Manchuria and North Korea within days.
Anyone could beat the French, but then, the Japanese didn't expel the French from Indochina until the start of 1945, because they didn't had the resources to govern the territory. So while they had military access they continue to use Vichy French administrators. At the time, France was already defeated and only a small force remained to protect Indochina, so a Japanese military victory was predictable.
Same with the Dutch - the Netherlands was already defeated and their colonies were vulnerable.
The IJA seized coastal China in 1937 in a blitzkrieg and then stopped. Or were forced to stop. They couldn't beat the Chinese, who held out against the Japanese in rough terrain with sheer manpower, using guerrila tactics to harass the Japanese forces.
The Japanese campaign against the British was impressive, but it was unlikely they could ever take Australia. Or India. Which were what really counted if they want to force a peace treaty on the Allies.
That's unlikely. The United States had two fleets anyway - the Pacific and the Atlantic. It's not like all their ships were in the Pacific.
They'd still lose. Like they lost North Africa. The Soviet Union had everything on their side - time, geography, manpower, industry, oil, allies, less-insane leaders...
No they wouldn't. The United States would just build more ships and retake all the islands and then nuke Japan to finish it off. It'd just be a little later than scheduled.
Japan -2
America +1
