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It was the main @civgame account replying to my question after their initial post this morning.
[LP] Civilization VI: Leader Pass - Discussion Thread
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Inawordyes
In a word: Illyria
Oh whoops! You are 100% correct and I got them mixed up in my head
I really want Dihya in general and I was researching her yesterday which is why she was on my brain, but yeah swap her for Sayidda al Hurrah and Morocco in that list. That fits the “introduce one returning civ alongside new civ(s)” DLC theming from the double-pack, except it’s a 2-1 ratio in this instance
I couldn’t remember her name but also had her on the brain too, but I think four Pirate Queens in one pack would be a tough sell for development
, and especially given China already is going to have so many alternate leaders after the LP is done (though Cheng I Sao is also awesome)
Alas, I understand Arabic just well enough for that not to work on me.I think I'll just rename Vanilla Saladin Harun Al-Rashid and rewrite his lines. There are no depictions of Al-Rashid and he already looks like Al-Rashid from Civ V. Besides, it's not like I understand Arabic, so whatever he's saying won't break immersion.
But yeah, they portrayed Saladin as awfully...Harun ar-Rashid-ish.Can Eleanor Morton play her?I suspect Mary Stuart’s LUA would vary significantly depending on who you asked
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Now that I think about it, I really do hope there’s another community patch at the end of this pass.
I think the last one was great and some much needed love to some Civs but there was definitely some overcorrection (Khmer), some curious omissions (Babylon and frankly most of the NFP Civs) and then some strange choices (like why nerf Amanitore while some bigger offenders run rampant). It would be amazing to have another wave of adjustments
Good place to start? Please reduce production of Phoenicians move capital by at least 50%
I think the last one was great and some much needed love to some Civs but there was definitely some overcorrection (Khmer), some curious omissions (Babylon and frankly most of the NFP Civs) and then some strange choices (like why nerf Amanitore while some bigger offenders run rampant). It would be amazing to have another wave of adjustments
Good place to start? Please reduce production of Phoenicians move capital by at least 50%
Boris Gudenuf
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Several things wrong with this:
1. "Minos" wasn't Greek: the civilization on Crete was based on of those in Asia Minor in religion, palace building, distributive economy, and probably language - but we can't be sure of that last until someone deciphers their language, which folks have been trying to do for over a century without success. The current consensus (subject to change at any time) is that it was not even "Indo-European", so not related to Greek in any way except that the Myceneans seem to have adapted the Cretan script to write their own Greek language in.
2. "Minos" wasn't Macedonian, or anywhere near it.
3. "Minos" wasn't Minos. The last I read (some time ago, to be sure) they now lean towards the belief that Minos was a Title, as in "The Minos", rather than a personal name.
Much as I would love to see a playable Civ based on ancient Crete, it's just not possible given the lack of a language, or a Leader, or the fact that many, if not most, of the attributes for a Cretan Civ are already taken by Phoenicia!
You should amble through the Soviet propaganda iconography of the war years: Nevskii was prominently invoked as the quintessential Anti-German Defender of Mother Russia even before the Order of Aleksandr Nevskii was promulgated. The official 'adoption' of an autocrat of Novgorod for the later Soviet Russian State is one of the personal justifications I have for recommending other, equally inappropriate historically, 'pre-Russian' Leaders for later Russia, like Dmitrii Donskoi or even Rurik (who would be an outrageous outlier for either a Kyevian or Muscovite-based Civ!)Yep. I did a master's paper on Allied, chiefly British, propaganda during WW2; the BBC's radio translation of the Eisenstein film was one of the most fascinating of the sources I consulted. That brief moment of, "My fellow Britons, please stop hating the Soviet Union we've been telling you to hate for years while they help us defeat a common enemy. Then, by all means, return to hating them."
The trailer felt very much aimed at Gen Z, which is interesting because I don't think Gen Z is well-represented among Civ players. I know a few, but most of the player base seems to be Millennial or older.
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Ok, well I like the look of the models from this, in any case.
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Lincoln is missing a mole and isn't quite as weathered as I would like to see, but this seems fine.
TheMarshmallowBear
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I wouldn't be entirely too surprised if we didn't get much info until the actual release. As far as I know, we never got videos for the Persona Packs to begin with (Apart from the udpate briefly talking about them).
The models look nice, trying to figure out which leader they reuse animations from now xD
The models look nice, trying to figure out which leader they reuse animations from now xD
Duke William of Normandy
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I'm a bit iffy on Ana Nzinga, but the rest look actually good to me.
And the hats are spectacularly immaculate, as they should be.
Yes. General consensus on Minoan language is that it wasn't Indo-European and it wasn't Semitic; beyond that, it's difficult to say. Proposals on relationships are all over the place from Etruscan to Caucasian, but none has gained widespread support. Until the language is better understood (which seems unlikely to happen in the near future), the best we can say is that it does not seem to have been related to any other language we know of, but culturally it certainly seems to have had more affinity for Egypt and West Asia than anything that was happening in Europe at the time (which...wasn't much TBH).
They look...not bad, though I'll reserve judgment until I see them in motion. Nzinga seems to have been designed with matching Mvemba in style in mind, which is interesting because Lincoln does not at all resemble Teddy's more realistic style. You know, Firaxis, this would be a lot easier if you picked a style for your leaders and stuck with it.
I love the detail on Saladin's armor.
Duke William of Normandy
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I mean, hair is floofy, mate. Would be weird if her hair looked like something from Minecraft.
Navelgazer
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Huh. Nzinga is the one I'm most impressed with. Sticking to the Caricature style while designing a leader that most will be unfamiliar with, from an under-represented group, and having her look that good while avoiding all of the pitfalls that could come with the style is impressive to me.
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It looks really great, like far more detailed.
Lord Lakely
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Ana and Abe look like they have original models. Very pleased by this unexpected treat <3
No, I agree with @AntSou. Her hair looks softer and more natural than a lot of leaders we've seen, though I can't quite put my finger on why.I mean, hair is floofy, mate. Would be weird if her hair looked like something from Minecraft.
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Better modeling software perhaps?
TheMarshmallowBear
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In fairness, Civ 5 leaders also became better looking with each expansion pack... so not at all surprised these look really good. They had enough time to master how to make them well.
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