[LP] Civilization VI: Leader Pass - Discussion Thread

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The CivGame Twitter account also published some rough sketches of the leaders (obviously not ingame art ;) ).
 
Ana Nzinga looks like she's part chameleon, Elizabeth is trying to ask for a trade deal with more... persuasive methods, Rameses' eyes look like someone painted them as misaligned hieroglyphs, Lincoln looks 110% done with everything, and they all look like you gave an 8th grader a computer art program for the first time.
 
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They fit to the announcement trailer, and obviously they got a lot less work than the final ingame leaders will have, so we shouldn't be harsh on this ;).
Yeah, that does make sense. I still reserve the right to nitpick, though, lol. :lol:
 
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they got a lot less work than the final ingame leaders will have
We haven't seen the in-game models yet so we don't know that for certain. :mischief:
 
I wonder how long the LP has actually been in-dev. I know devs have commented in the past that the leader itself takes the most dev time compared to other stuff about any given civ, which someone mentioned earlier either in this thread or its predecessor as a reason why alt-leaders haven't been more widespread (as if it's gonna take just as long to make an alt-leader for an existing civ as it would a new one, why wouldn't you just make a new civ?)

But with 12 leaders in this pass, plus 6 personas, I wonder if that actually does stack up and we might see a lower quality compared to other leaders, or if it's not exactly true and they just never decided to focus on alt-leaders as much before now (for fairly-obvious reasons)
 
I wonder how long the LP has actually been in-dev. I know devs have commented in the past that the leader itself takes the most dev time compared to other stuff about any given civ, which someone mentioned earlier either in this thread or its predecessor as a reason why alt-leaders haven't been more widespread (as if it's gonna take just as long to make an alt-leader for an existing civ as it would a new one, why wouldn't you just make a new civ?)
I believe they were specifically talking about the animation and acting work needed for each leader, not so much the game mechanics.
 
given that the cartoons are modeled after the official announcement art, i would be very surprised if they weren't representative of the in-game leader models. :p
 
But with 12 leaders in this pass, plus 6 personas, I wonder if that actually does stack up and we might see a lower quality compared to other leaders, or if it's not exactly true and they just never decided to focus on alt-leaders as much before now (for fairly-obvious reasons)
The six personas will not be significant extra work because they are basically reskins. Not to say the textures and models aren't work, but they've already been rigged and animated. Still, I expect to see similar quality to NFP in the LP leaders, which is...not great. Unless Firaxis took the criticism of the NFP art assets to heart.
 
I think it might be a Field Cannon with 4 movement rather than 2.

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It is described as a 'swivel gun', but not this Fantasy: a gun that size fired from camel-back would knock the camel sprawling and rip the gun right off the saddle. As I've posted before, the weapon, that was used by Afghan, Persian, and Indian armies and 'upgraded' in the 19th century to a camel mounted Machine Gun, was more of an over-sized musket than any kind of cannon, firing a much larger and heavier ball than an ordinary musket, with a much longer range. They were most effectively used in mass by ranks of camel-borne gunners and with their massed long-range fire could break up enemy formations before enemy infantry got within range of their ordinary smooth-bore muskets.

And as for the Kleopatra - Greece discussion, gimme a break: if any post-Alexander Macedonian is going to get a shot at leading Greece, let it be the Diadochi (Successors) Antipater or Lysimachus, both of which actually ruled Greece. My choice would be Antipater, a student of Aristotle along with Alexander, executor of Aristotle's will, regent and later ruler of Greece. His agenda might be that he hates all female rulers - he spent most of his reign fighting with Alexander's mother, Olympia, who insisted on trying to run things despite him.

And as for tip-toeing through the Ukraine - Russia Minefield for Civ/Leader creation, I don't think, for the foreseeable future, anybody's going to get away with a 'Russian' Kyev state of Russified Leaders from Ukrainian history. On the other hand, the Kyevian Rus had a very distinct culture/civ compared to later Russia, and have a pack of interesting leaders for their own State. They deserve a separate Civ of their own easily as much as Scotland.

And finally, a vote for Dmitrii Donskoi (Dmitrii of the Don) as a Russian leader. He was Prince of Moscow, also Grand Prince of Vladimir, defeated the Tatars (Mongol Successor State) at Kulikovo Field in 1380 CE, and so made the Duchy of Muscovy independent of Mongol rule and started it on the road to becoming the basis of the Russian State.
In addition to potential Great General/military leader, he also started building the Moscow Kremlin and forged alliances among the central Russian city-states, so potential Builder or Diplomatic chops as well.
 
It is described as a 'swivel gun', but not this Fantasy: a gun that size fired from camel-back would knock the camel sprawling and rip the gun right off the saddle.
It's a good fantasy! A camel just chilling watching those silly horses tiring themselves galloping to battle.

Anyway, going by Civ units design, I would expect the cannons to be even bigger in-game :lol:
 
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