[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Xandinho]

Don't encourage my dream of Bohemia.

I'd prefer Kievan Rus' or Bulgaria , but Bohemia is nice.

 

[Zaarin]

I'd prefer Kievan Rus' or Bulgaria , but Bohemia is nice.

I'd take those, too, especially Bulgaria, but I have a fondness for Czech history, especially the Hussites.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Hittites please

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Oh please yes, let's just ignore Asia again!

Though at this point, I should probably expect that the most "Asia" we will see is an Assyria + Babylon pack.

I didn't ignore it as you pointed out.

Though personally after Vietnam I would be content with how East Asia is represented at least, considering Tibet is unlikely.

 

[Lord Lakely]

Hittites please

ohhh if only

Civfanatics: "ughhhhh which one will it be between Babylon and Assyria!! Ugh we can't it's KILLING me but here's a list of 26 arguments in favour of the option I like best "
Sarah: "QUEEN PUDUHEPA LEADS THE HITTITES IN SID MEIER'S CIVILIZATION 6"

I would stan.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

ohhh if only

Civfanatics: "ughhhhh which one will it be between Babylon and Assyria!! Ugh we can't it's KILLING me but here's a list of 26 arguments in favour of the option I like best "
Sarah: "QUEEN PUDUHEPA LEADS THE HITTITES IN SID MEIER'S CIVILIZATION 6"

I would stan.

puduhepa and the need for women rulers to match previous expansions are the only thing going for the Hittites

 

[Xandinho]

I'm still very dubious we will get any North American civ as solely a DLC pack. Maybe the Iroquois, but I don't know if many/any other NA tribes would be okay as the sole focus of a DLC pack. It just smacks of exploitation in a way that expansion packs mostly mitigated by creating context and plausible deniability that the content wasn't primarily capitalizing on any particular tribe.

I find it very difficult for them to skip North America. They can just add Iroquois, I'm sure it would be well sold.

I still do not see Sumeria and Assyria and Babylon being in the same game. Pretty sure Sumeria took the place of Babylon this time. Also, I think South America is done; if we get two civs from the Americas, I would bet that they both will be in North America, with a slight possibility that one of them is in the Caribbean.

I'm still not convinced that Sumeria took the place of Babylon, they were together in two previous editions (Civ3 and Civ4). Sumeria is basically a Gilgamesh civ, I think they can differentiate between Babylon and Gilgamesh civ . Regarding South America, they added at least one South American civ in each launch, if they remain with the standard of representing all continents in each launch, another South American civ can happen in a second round, or at least the Caribbean.

 

[8housesofelixir]

I'd take those, too, especially Bulgaria, but I have a fondness for Czech history, especially the Hussites.

I don't know much about Czech history besides throwing out of the window, Kafka, and Škoda Auto. Judging from the hilly/mountainous geography I always imagine a Czech civ as an industrial-focused version of the in-game Ethiopia.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

I don't know much about Czech history besides throwing out of the window, Kafka, and Škoda Auto. Judging from the hilly/mountainous geography I always imagine a Czech civ as an industrial-focused version of the in-game Ethiopia.

nah. I see it as chiefly religious and cultural. I could imagine a great musician focus. It’s too bad the idea of architecture isn’t considered, since that would work for Bohemia

 

[Xandinho]

I'd take those, too, especially Bulgaria, but I have a fondness for Czech history, especially the Hussites.

Bohemia and Hussites would be nice if we had some religious reform system in the game. I think that Bohemia can happen in Civ7 with a better worked religious mechanism.

 

[8housesofelixir]

nah. I see it as chiefly religious and cultural. I could imagine a great musician focus. It’s too bad the idea of architecture isn’t considered, since that would work for Bohemia

I won't argue against religious and cultural Czech, I pointed out the throwing-out-of-the-window and Kafka in the previous post. Ethiopia is also a religion-culture civ, and that's why I compared them with in-game Ethiopia.

But Czech is also an important industrial center in modern era as well, no less important than Ruhr or Sillon industriel. I think that part of the history is worth representing.

Edit: Since we are going to have a Belgae leader with a unique IZ, I suppose my wish of having Sillon Industriel represented in the game have been fulfilled.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

I didn't ignore it as you pointed out.

Though personally after Vietnam I would be content with how East Asia is represented at least, considering Tibet is unlikely.

I need at least Burma or the Chola, plus a few city-states. If we can afford to design two new civs per continent (including, somehow, Australia?), but a whopping six-ish to Europe, then we need more than just Vietnam and Scythia added to Asia.

I'm still not convinced that Sumeria took the place of Babylon, they were together in two previous editions (Civ3 and Civ4). Sumeria is basically a Gilgamesh civ, I think they can differentiate between Babylon and Gilgamesh civ . Regarding South America, they added at least one South American civ in each launch, if they remain with the standard of representing all continents in each launch, another South American civ can happen in a second round, or at least the Caribbean.

Yes but that was Civ III and Civ IV. We've never had three Mesopotamian civs, and it does not appear that the design of Sumeria, which incorporates many Babylon-esque elements, accommodates a Babylon design particularly well.

I can definitely say that the moment any game that purports to be about the global human experience feels the need to include Babylon, Assyria, and Sumeria, I'm out. I didn't come here for that level of myopic pedantry when we still have many very large, more diverse regions and eras that still deserve representation.

 

[Zaarin]

I don't know much about Czech history besides throwing out of the window, Kafka, and Škoda Auto. Judging from the hilly/mountainous geography I always imagine a Czech civ as an industrial-focused version of the in-game Ethiopia.

Yeah, the Defenstration of Prague was the start of the Hussite Wars. Jan Žižka would be a great choice for leader. (Also, you forgot Dvořak.) The war wagon just begs to be a unique unit.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I need at least Burma or the Chola, plus a few city-states. If we can afford to design two new civs per continent (including, somehow, Australia?), but a whopping six-ish to Europe, then we need more than just Vietnam and Scythia added to Asia.

Well Georgia is technically Asian too.
Maybe we'll get Sargon leading the Akkadian Empire?

 

[Xandinho]

Yes but that was Civ III and Civ IV. We've never had three Mesopotamian civs, and it does not appear that the design of Sumeria, which incorporates many Babylon-esque elements, accommodates a Babylon design particularly well.

I can definitely say that the moment any game that purports to be about the global human experience feels the need to include Babylon, Assyria, and Sumeria, I'm out. I didn't come here for that level of myopic pedantry when we still have many very large, more diverse regions and eras that still deserve representation.

By the time the game has three Mesopotamian civilizations, other regions of the globe will already be well represented. See that I'm thinking about the hypothesis of a third Mesopotamian civ in a second round of passes when the game gets 58 civs, I don't see an exaggeration here. So far, the ancient era is by far the most underrepresented.

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

At least make Jaroslav Hasek a great writer

 

[PhoenicianGold]

Well Georgia is technically Asian too.

Georgia is basically at the boundary of Europe and Asia; since it is culturally European I think it is more fairly grouped with Europe. Though even if we did count it as an Asian civ...what dismal representation of Asia that would be.

Maybe we'll get Sargon leading the Akkadian Empire?

You're a cruel person.

By the time the game has three Mesopotamian civilizations, other regions of the globe will already be well represented. See that I'm thinking about the hypothesis of a third Mesopotamian civ in a second round of passes when the game gets 58 civs, I don't see an exaggeration here. So far, the ancient era is by far the most underrepresented.

In a roster of 58 civs, I still don't think that the globe will be "well-represented." Assuming we get Assyria, I would put over a dozen civs on higher priority than Babylon:

* Portugal
* Morocco/Berbers
* Oman/Swahili
* Bulgaria
* An Italy/Venice rework
* Burma
* Chola
* Timurids/Samarkand
* Navajo/Apache
* Cherokee/Muscogee

Plus probably:

* Denmark/Finland/Sapmi
* The Inuit
* The Goths
* Something along the Guinea Coast
* Kievan Rus'/Slavs
* Something in the Caribbean
* Iroquois

If that is all Civ is, a numbers game of trying to push just enough diversity so we can justify more hair-splitting of Europe and Mesopotamia, then I have been duped and want out.

 

[Xandinho]

Georgia is basically at the boundary of Europe and Asia; since it is culturally European I think it is more fairly grouped with Europe. Though even if we did count it as an Asian civ...what dismal representation of Asia that would be.



You're a cruel person.



In a roster of 58 civs, I still don't think that the globe will be "well-represented." Assuming we get Assyria, I would put over a dozen civs on higher priority than Babylon:

* Portugal
* Morocco/Berbers
* Oman/Swahili
* Bulgaria
* An Italy/Venice rework
* Burma
* Chola
* Timurids/Samarkand
* Navajo/Apache
* Cherokee/Muscogee

What? many of what you quoted was in my original post. Read it again.

Spoiler :

Analyzing the historical pattern of inclusion of civs in each expansion, we can see that there were 4 returned civs mixed with 4 never seen before:

R&F
Returned: Korea, Netherlands, Mongolia and Zulu.
New: Cree, Mapuche, Scotland and Georgia.

GS
Returned: Ottomans, Incas, Mali and Sweden.
New: Phoenicia, Maori, Canada and Hungary.

If the pattern remains in NFP, we can have something similar:

Returned: Maya, Ethiopia, Byzantine, ???? (presumably Assyria).
New: Gran Colombia, Gauls, ???? (Vietnam), ???? (something new from North America, maybe Navajo or Apache).

This sets precedents for thinking about a second round of passes with the similar pattern:

Returned: Portugal, Babylon, Iroquois and Morocco.
New: ???? (Italian representation, maybe Tuscany or a civ called Italy), ???? (a civilization of
Sub-Saharan Africa, some popular demand like Madagascar, Ashanti or Benin), ???? (a South American one), ???? (wild card, can be from anywhere, maybe from Eastern Europe or even Oceania).

Anyway, depending on how Firaxis does things, there may be big names and enough spaces for a round of passes.

I didn't get your point, really.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Jolof Empire, anyone?

 

[PhoenicianGold]

What? many of what you quoted was in my original post. Read it again.

Oh no, I read it. But you seem to be fine with only getting a third to a half of those in exchange for Babylon.

I think every single one of them deserves to be in the game before we get a third Mesopotamian civ. This is not "Sid Meier's Mesopotamia."