[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Dale]

There was also a leak strongly hinting at an upcoming southeast Asian civ.

WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Austronesians are coming!

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

Time-traveling would de great and I hope you will find some time to travel again. In this specific times everyone has a problem with this, anyway
I am afraid we are trying to fit modern concepts of European Asian culture and identity to medieval times. It will always fail because people those days had a different mindset. The most probable answer of medieval Georgian to the question who are you European or Asian would be what is European and Asian. I am from here

 

[Dale]

This is the sort of reductive thinking that disappoints me in these boards lol. It's either between Europe or Middle East; it's like half the members impliedly agree that Asia and Africa don't exist.

To be honest 2K's marketing, and your arguments in this thread show, the devs using specific nations in the game promotes cultural hegemony and Nationalism. Both of which are the root of racism. You yourself are promoting that Babylon is lessor than other Fertile Crescent civilisations simply because of the presence of others. Add to that your vigorous arguments against more Middle Eastern or European nations.... are you racist against Middle Eastern and European people?

 

[bite]

Moderator Action: This is a warning to get back on topic

 

[AaronTBD]

Is Gauls Unique district an Industrial Zone?

 

[8housesofelixir]

Is Gauls Unique district an Industrial Zone?

99% likely. In the video one of the UD is building a workshop.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

There's controversy whether or not Gaul is France or not they're not




They're France Beta™

If Ambiorix is the leader they might be closer to beta-Belgium, which is interesting.

 

[CivLuvah]

WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Austronesians are coming!

*Secretly hoping it's the Philippines*
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It's probably going to be Vietnam.

 

[Dale]

It's probably going to be Vietnam.

Nanyue would probably be better IMO.

 

[8housesofelixir]

Nanyue would probably be better IMO.

If it is Nanyueguo the state then the history of it was too short, if it is Nanyue/Southern Yue people then we don't have enough written history about them, and we are even not sure if they were a defined ethnic group or not.

Vietnam is basically a developed and historicized part of Nanyue. Maybe not a better choice for all, but it should be a better choice for devs as there are a lot of historical records and living people for reference.

 

[pokiehl]

Nanyue? What?

Why do people here always want the most ridiculously obscure civs?

 

[mitsho]

Ha, I just wanted to point out that it's really hard to make an argument for the inclusion of the Gauls that includes the terms "deserve", "representation" or "slots per continent". You may argue that they help with balancing out different eras by being an early civ. But them getting packed together with Byzantium doesn't make sense for reasons of map, scenario or cultural closeness.

Rather, it seems like the devs just felt like it and then made sure to chose a leader from Belgium or Switzerland too for national appeal. The civ roster for the pass was decided beforehand, which is why many arguments in this thread fall flat.

Which is also why one should look farther and more out of the box for candidates for a possible second pass: civs like the Soviets, the Hebrews, Haiti or with Napoléon a fifth (!) leader from the region of France.

In the end, the rule of cool trumps any historiographic treatise and the inclusion of the Gauls show that. Nobody in this thread had them on their list, right?

 

[CivLuvah]

In the end, the rule of cool trumps any historiographic treatise and the inclusion of the Gauls show that. Nobody in this thread had them on their list, right?

I remember some did, but I can't remember who.

Anyway next DLC Nauru should be a civ.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

Okay, now that we probably aren't getting Theodora/Irene, that opens speculation for the third female leader in NFP.

While I want Diyha, and could easily be thwarted by Shammuramat or Jigonhsassee, so far we haven't gone a year without a European queen (Jadwiga, Wilhelmina/Tamar, Eleanor/Kristina), and I suspect that may be an unsaid marketing rule.

Our options:

* Maria of Portugal. Easy, but I really doubt the devs will give up an exploration era leader.
* Maria Theresa. Too soon to be thinking about Austria? Though we have Gaul.
* Margaret of Denmark. Though we have Gaul, I just don't know what a Danish civ could offer to the game that Norway/Sweden don't already add.
* Matilda of Canossa. I guess we still don't have a Florence city-state, but do we really want to settle for Tuscan scraps in absence of a larger Italy? Though we have fffffing Gaul.
* Olga of Kiev. Russian alternate leader? But then again, GAUL.
* Grace O'Malley. No, mercy please, enough.

I hope, if this was a rule, the devs abandoned it for NFP, because most of the remaining European options feel disappointing compared to getting civs from other regions.

Ha, I just wanted to point out that it's really hard to make an argument for the inclusion of the Gauls that includes the terms "deserve", "representation" or "slots per continent". You may argue that they help with balancing out different eras by being an early civ. But them getting packed together with Byzantium doesn't make sense for reasons of map, scenario or cultural closeness.

Rather, it seems like the devs just felt like it and then made sure to chose a leader from Belgium or Switzerland too for national appeal. The civ roster for the pass was decided beforehand, which is why many arguments in this thread fall flat.

Which is also why one should look farther and more out of the box for candidates for a possible second pass: civs like the Soviets, the Hebrews, Haiti or with Napoléon a fifth (!) leader from the region of France.

In the end, the rule of cool trumps any historiographic treatise and the inclusion of the Gauls show that. Nobody in this thread had them on their list, right?

Byzzies and Gauls are at least both very related to Rome. Maya and GC weren't exactly related either.

That said, I agree that this kind of blow the door open. We could get all manner of dumb, duplicative civs from here on out, and never see another civ from Africa, East Asia, or North America.

 

[8housesofelixir]

Nanyue? What? Why do people here always want the most ridiculously obscure civs?

Well, as someone who had done some studies about them, I won't say they are obscure, I would say they are as clear as, ehhhhh, Sea Peoples.

 

[Jkchart]

God, I would love the Hittites but it would kill @bite since he would have to add more to Anatolia on his maps

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Nanyue? What?

Why do people here always want the most ridiculously obscure civs?

Well if we do get Trung Trac with Vietnam, it basically would be.

God, I would love the Hittites but it would kill @bite since he would have to add more to Anatolia on his maps

He'd just teleport back to his castle, instead of dying.

 

[8housesofelixir]

Well if we do get Trung Trac with Vietnam, it basically would be.

My problem with Trung Trac is similar to my problem with Southern Yue/Nanyue: too few records (and too much later mythization).

I don't mind semi-historical-semi-fictional leader choices such as Dido and Kupe, but unlike Phoenicia or Maori, Vietnam basically has a long list of interesting/complex leader choices besides Trung Trac.

 

[The Kingmaker]

I’ll stand and be counted as someone who wanted Gaul.

 

[Zaarin]

I don't mind semi-historical-semi-fictional leader choices such as Dido and Kupe, but unlike Phoenicia or Maori, Vietnam basically has a long list of interesting/complex leader choices besides Trung Trac.

Phoenicia and Maori had historical choices, too.

I’ll stand and be counted as someone who wanted Gaul.

I didn't expect them, but I wanted them, too.