[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[The Kingmaker]

At this point, I think there’s just about a general acknowledgment, if not consensus, that the remaining civs that most fans are looking for out of Civ6, if any (outside of Portugal, which is most people’s prediction for the next DLC), include the following:

*a Native American tribe (perhaps x2)
*a north African civ (Morocco, Berbers, or even al-Andalus)
*a central Asian civ (Sogdia/Kushans/Timurids/etc.)
*another Sub-Saharan civ (Ashanti/Benin/etc.)
*some version of Italy (renaissance or otherwise, perhaps with two leaders like Greece)
*perhaps another east Asian offering, like Burma
*perhaps Assyria
*finally, maybe someone new or unexpected; a surprise civ

And there’s an entire Final Frontier Pass worth of civs for you.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

if we get an italian leader, Vittorio Emmanuel II, Matilda of Tuscany, Lorenzo the Magnificent and Robert of Apulia would all be interesting picks in my opinion

There are still many moments where I think CdM was a big mistake. Lorenzo was clearly the better Medici to lead a civ, in particular Italy which is so complicated and has such a narrow winder under the Italic League where it might work. And we still don't have any really effeminate men leading a civ, so I think the loss of Louis XIV in VI is especially unfortunate from a variety standpoint. In retrospect, I don't think making France the "espionage" civ was a great decision in the long run.

And no, I don't want two Medicis in the same game. Or two from the same family or dynasty (sorry, Kublai). It just feels like wasting the game's potential to show off as much of history as possible.

At this point, I think there’s just about a general acknowledgment, if not consensus, that the remaining civs that most fans are looking for out of Civ6, if any (outside of Portugal, which is most people’s prediction for the next DLC), include the following:

*a Native American tribe (perhaps x2)
*a north African civ (Morocco, Berbers, or even al-Andalus)
*a central Asian civ (Sogdia/Kushans/Timurids/etc.)
*another Sub-Saharan civ (Ashanti/Benin/etc.)
*some version of Italy (renaissance or otherwise, perhaps with two leaders like Greece)
*perhaps another east Asian offering, like Burma
*perhaps Assyria
*finally, maybe someone new or unexpected; a surprise civ

And there’s an entire Final Frontier Pass worth of civs for you.

Basically, those. Plus Bulgaria.

Although, if we took all of that at face value, we won't have a 4/4/ split of old/new civs, unless we somehow got: Morocco, Iroquois, Assyria, and...Venice? So I think some of those new civs won't make the cut.

I don't need a central Asian civ, but the Timurids are highly requested, have a lot of obvious design elements, and could have a zamburak as a very unique unit. So I would be okay with them. Kushans or Sogdia are nice too, I just don't see them having the pull at this point in time; maybe they could be memed into existence for VII.

I also don't need another SS civ, although I do think Oman/Zanzibar still has a lot of potential. Or I would even take Madagascar. Really, we could have a full mini-pack of deserving African civs.

 

[SMcM]

The suggestion that Firaxis shouldn't bother with alt leaders, in the situation where there is more content in the future, just will not come true, full stop.

I mean you're essentially telling me over and over that the thing I don't care for is going to happen anyway. All I'm saying, mostly, is that I don't have interest in multi-civ leaders, and I'm not that interested in whether that is what you want, or whether you think Firaxis will do that or not. We're talking in parallel here, because I'm literally just expressing a preference, while you're debating with me over whether they will do it or not. I don't know whether they will or not, and of course none of us even know if there will be more content for this game after NFP.

Please do me a favor and never quote me in anything if you are gonna backpedal this hard. This is a reductive back-and-forth, even by CivForum's already low standards.

Look I'm not interested in continuing to make this antagonistic. I don't really see any backpedaling here though, you took very select quotes from several long posts by me to construct a biased narrative which makes me look silly. Anyway, you don't have any power here as far as I'm aware? So I'm hardly going to be accusing you of censorship- that isn't, to the best of my knowledge, something you are able to do. I'm accusing you of telling me that I'm contributing nothing, and should not be expressing these opinions here. You seem to be fairly insistent that only speculation here is valid, and that my expressing my opinion here is useless since it will "just not come true". I'm accusing you of being dismissive, that isn't censorship.

And onto your other point, regarding alt-leaders, I would say you are taking a quote out of the context of the point I'm generally making. You quote me saying I don't see the need for alt-leaders. Which is true, I don't, it isn't of that much interest to me. But, being more generous, you must be able to see that was really only a side point? That is not what I have specifically being targeting in the vast majority of what I've been saying, which has had a very clear focus on multi-civ leaders. And additionally, in the second quote you posted there, I said I wasn't 'necessarily' against it, which, is hardly a particular endorsement one way or the other. So honestly I don't think this supposedly damning evidence of my inconsistency is showing a lot of nuance.

Anyway, we can probably both agree this reply chain isn't going anywhere, so I won't reply again, unless you're going to keep debating me about what you believe my opinion is, if it is consistent, and whether I should be expressing it, etc.

To be fair, Kublai was paired with a much more robust and desirable game mode (Monopolies and Corporations) than either of the other two-civ packs (Apocalypse and Dramatic Ages). The other "bigger" game modes (Secret Societies, Heroes and Legends) were sold with single civ packs. So in all it does kind of balance out as far as value is concerned.

Yes, that is a fair point actually.

 

[Zaarin]

And we still don't have any really effeminate men leading a civ, so I think the loss of Louis XIV in VI is especially unfortunate from a variety standpoint.

I'm not sure effeminate is the term I'd use to describe Louis XIV, except in the older sense of "philandering." His bellicose tendencies were very much intended as an assertion of his masculinity.

In retrospect, I don't think making France the "espionage" civ was a great decision in the long run.

I agree. I think CdM's "black queen" role was just begging to be filled by Wu Zetian--and TBH she could still fill Qin's wonder-mongering role, too.

 

[Jah Live]

I would like to see Jamaica led by Marcus Garvey or Nanny of the Maroons.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

At this point, I think there’s just about a general acknowledgment, if not consensus, that the remaining civs that most fans are looking for out of Civ6, if any (outside of Portugal, which is most people’s prediction for the next DLC), include the following:

*a Native American tribe (perhaps x2)
*a north African civ (Morocco, Berbers, or even al-Andalus)
*a central Asian civ (Sogdia/Kushans/Timurids/etc.)
*another Sub-Saharan civ (Ashanti/Benin/etc.)
*some version of Italy (renaissance or otherwise, perhaps with two leaders like Greece)
*perhaps another east Asian offering, like Burma
*perhaps Assyria
*finally, maybe someone new or unexpected; a surprise civ

And there’s an entire Final Frontier Pass worth of civs for you.

At that point I think we would also need a civ from the Caribbean if we were going to get 8 more. I don't expect it but a Pirate Republic civ would be fun to put in the base game.
I know other people would like the Taino/Arawak or a more modern country like Haiti or Cuba though.

Had we not gotten Eleanor, I think James VI and I might have stood a chance, but England wasn't going to get a third leader and a second dual leader.

A male leader for England, how funny.

 

[The Kingmaker]

At that point I think we would also need a civ from the Caribbean if we were going to get 8 more. I don't expect it but a Pirate Republic civ would be fun to put in the base game.
I know other people would like the Taino/Arawak or a more modern country like Haiti or Cuba though.

I’m not opposed to a Caribbean civ, provided it is well-implemented, although my desire for such is definitely subordinate to that of the other civs discussed above.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I’m not opposed to a Caribbean civ, provided it is well-implemented, although my desire for such is definitely subordinate to that of the other civs discussed above.

I agree, but I think it would go into your last category as something new and unexpected.

 

[The Kingmaker]

I agree, but I think it would go into your last category as something new and unexpected.

Sure, it could qualify as the proverbial dark horse candidate.

 

[Abaxial]

At that point I think we would also need a civ from the Caribbean

I've already suggested Haiti with the very splendid leader François-Dominique Toussaint Louverture about whom much is known, and a very fine character in these days of black lives mattering.

 

[Zaarin]

I personally think we're already overflowing with postcolonial civs. If we need a Caribbean civ, I think the Taíno are a much better candidate.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

I'm not sure effeminate is the term I'd use to describe Louis XIV, except in the older sense of "philandering." His bellicose tendencies were very much intended as an assertion of his masculinity.

True, though it still reads as performatively deviant in modern eyes. If nothing else, again, more variety to the cast.

I've already suggested Haiti with the very splendid leader François-Dominique Toussaint Louverture about whom much is known, and a very fine character in these days of black lives mattering.

I personally think we're already overflowing with postcolonial civs. If we need a Caribbean civ, I think the Taíno are a much better candidate.

I would support either of these. Haiti because of how unique it is culturally. And Taino because they are a great map-gap filler and only require fudging the language a little.

 

[Lord Lakely]

a civ with bonuses to/from great musicians. i feel like you earn these way faster than you're able to actually place their works. maybe each art museum gets a 4th slot for music idk, though because kristina is da bomb i wouldn't want to inadvertently nerf her building. maybe a unique building with music slot in addition to broadcast center, comes earlier.

I once dreamt that Firaxis would release a Polynesian Civs whose Unique Unit was an early naval Rock Band and their strategy would be centered around music and using it at a weapon to influence other civs.

Also the UU played a ukelele while riding a dolphin. So probably NOT very historically accurate.

Interestingly enough though, I was looking for into the Polynesian cultures (because I needed a naval Civ with a female leader) and found out that Tonga has a rich background in music, spoken word and dance, and that they do have a female leader (Salote III) who funded cultural preservation, including inviting foreign archaeologists to set up dig sites inside her borders. It's not something fully concrete, but it's interesting and may have legs in a future installment, given thorough research, of course.

 

[Zaarin]

Also the UU played a ukelele while riding a dolphin.

Has a secret mode that unlocks if you consume bleventeen expired Smile Dips.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

I once dreamt that Firaxis would release a Polynesian Civs whose Unique Unit was an early naval Rock Band and their strategy would be centered around music and using it at a weapon to influence other civs.

Actually, using music as a weapon pretty much describes bagpipes, which were classified as an "instrument of war" by the English, and not as musical!

I still think the Scottish UU should have been a bagpiper - causes -10 combat factor to all enemy units within 2 tiles and eliminates any influence from enemy Great Generals within that radius because nobody can hear him anymore . . .

 

[AntSou]

They could def do a Second Pass, or just a handful more DLC. Keep it simple. No new complex modes or scenarios necessary. This is an example of what I would like to see, in no particular order and not necessarily in this combination:

DLC 1
New Civ/Leader + Alt Leader for Egypt
The Spymaster Governor (R&F/GS) (can be placed in cities of foreign Civs)


DLC 2
New Civ/Leader + Alt Leader for Russia
Asylum Office (District) - Displeased (or below) foreign cities within 9 tiles of this district have a chance of losing population. Increase population in this city if city is Happy or Ecstatic. Chance of migration event dependent on happiness difference and distance between cities. (GS, since it's basically a disaster).


DLC 3
New Civ/Leader + Alt Leader for Arabia
Two new Natural Disasters (GS) and new Geological Artefact type. Tend to spawn near sites of disasters. Slottable in science buildings and in the new Natural History Museum.
New Government Plaza building: Tier 3 - Natural History Museum


DLC 4
New Civ/Leader + Alt Leader for America
New Dedications and Golden Age bonuses (R&F)
New Decisions and Missions Game Mode. Missions provide Era score on completion. (R&F)
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Each released every three months alongside a patch update:

- July 2021
- October 2021
- January 2022
- April 2022

New Game: Late 2022

 

[Zaarin]

Two new Natural Disasters (GS) and new Geological Artefact type. Tend to spawn near sites of disasters. Slottable in science buildings and in the new Natural History Museum.
New Government Plaza building: Tier 3 - Natural History Museum

I'd make the Natural History Museum a University alternative personally: lower innate science, doesn't benefit from Newton, but has two slots for Geological Artifacts that generate Science and Tourism.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Also the UU played a ukelele while riding a dolphin. So probably NOT very historically accurate.

Cannot enter land tiles so must always have concerts on a Harbor, Water Park, or coastal tile.

DLC 3
New Civ/Leader + Alt Leader for Arabia
Two new Natural Disasters (GS) and new Geological Artefact type. Tend to spawn near sites of disasters. Slottable in science buildings and in the new Natural History Museum.
New Government Plaza building: Tier 3 - Natural History Museum

Why not just make it a third alternative of a museum in a theater square, or a university alternative like above?

Speaking of new buildings can we get an Opera House, or some building to hold more than one Great work of music? Make it mutually exclusive with the Broadcast Center and let those gain tourism primarily from Rock band concerts instead.
Let it come packaged with Italy and Maria Theresa as an alt leader for Germany/Hungary, or leading Austria, as a dream pack for me.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

They could def do a Second Pass, or just a handful more DLC. Keep it simple. No new complex modes or scenarios necessary. This is an example of what I would like to see, in no particular order and not necessarily in this combination:

DLC 1
New Civ/Leader + Alt Leader for Egypt
The Spymaster Governor (R&F/GS) (can be placed in cities of foreign Civs)


DLC 2
New Civ/Leader + Alt Leader for Russia
Asylum Office (District) - Displeased (or below) foreign cities within 9 tiles of this district have a chance of losing population. Increase population in this city if city is Happy or Ecstatic. Chance of migration event dependent on happiness difference and distance between cities. (GS, since it's basically a disaster).


DLC 3
New Civ/Leader + Alt Leader for Arabia
Two new Natural Disasters (GS) and new Geological Artefact type. Tend to spawn near sites of disasters. Slottable in science buildings and in the new Natural History Museum.
New Government Plaza building: Tier 3 - Natural History Museum


DLC 4
New Civ/Leader + Alt Leader for America
New Dedications and Golden Age bonuses (R&F)
New Decisions and Missions Game Mode. Missions provide Era score on completion. (R&F)
---

Each released every three months alongside a patch update:

- July 2021
- October 2021
- January 2022
- April 2022

New Game: Late 2022

If all four were actually new civs, I would be totally for this:

DLC 1: Oman
DLC 2: Bulgaria
DLC 3: Amazigh
DLC 4: Navajo/Cherokee

Throw in a Burma + Timurids pack and that's really all I need.

 

[BuchiTaton]

Interestingly enough though, I was looking for into the Polynesian cultures (because I needed a naval Civ with a female leader) and found out that Tonga has a rich background in music, spoken word and dance

Anacaona was a Taino queen from the Hispaniola that is now seen as a cultural symbol (even relating her to the music and dance). So meets being female, music and dance related, from a naval civ and represent the never on game caribbean civ.