[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Thenewwwguy]

Honestly I'd choose the Viet Cong just for political reasons and I'll leave it at that. I'm not unbiased.

I don’t blame you, but still isn’t the best historical choice, although they could fulfill my initial vision for llaneros: workers/builders who become military units on command

 

[cosmicmangobear]

If we're going to have a modern Vietnamese unit, I'd rather have the Vietminh. They occupy the same historical niche and are less controversial.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

If we're going to have a modern Vietnamese unit, I'd rather have the Vietminh. They occupy the same historical niche and are less controversial.

they were also communist like the viet cong, but wouldn’t be perceived as badly by the largely american audience. Makes sense. I assume they were also farmers who became a militia to fight the french? so they could also function like a worker replacement that becomes an infantry unit during war time or something.

 

[leif erikson]

Moderator Action: We are getting terribly close to current events and politics. Neither are allowed in game threads, please take it to Off Topic if you wish to discuss it.

 

[Xefjord]

So we were told a week beforehand that the Mayans and Gran Colombia would be coming to Civ 6, and about 2 months before hand that Ethiopia is coming as well, At what rate do you think we will be seeing the other new civs revealed? Could we see another new civ revealed before Ethiopia? Or will we see two months worth of civs revealed only after Ethiopia is launched? Maybe we won't even hear anything about the next civ until a week before it is to be released (Which would be rough). What is your guy's opinions?

 

[Thenewwwguy]

So we were told a week beforehand that the Mayans and Gran Colombia would be coming to Civ 6, and about 2 months before hand that Ethiopia is coming as well, At what rate do you think we will be seeing the other new civs revealed? Could we see another new civ revealed before Ethiopia? Or will we see two months worth of civs revealed only after Ethiopia is launched? Maybe we won't even hear anything about the next civ until a week before it is to be released (Which would be rough). What is your guy's opinions?

i think we’ll get 1 announcement before the July launch and 1 after? 1 to build hype and one to keep a surprise, but both only get first looks before the september DLC drop

 

[Inawordyes]

So there’s been a lot of talk about LSS and Bolivar reusing isle animations in the First Look videos - specifically, Amanitore and Pedro, respectively. I don’t intend to bring that debate here, I just want to note that it makes sense given that LSS has a similar build to Amanitore and Bolivar to Pedro + having similar clothing as well.

Why I bring this up is, whether or not the idle animations stay the same or not is irrelevant. However, both leaders having similar builds to the existing leader they were shown sharing idle animations with is probably a good indication that they used those two as a base to create LSS and Bolivar. Is this is the case, there’s a very likely possibility that they could be doing something similar for every other leader in the pass (namely, using an existing leader as a base model to save design and modeling time instead of having to create the entire leader from scratch).

Under the assumption that that’s the case, are there any leaders for civs that could easily translate into the game from the base model of an existing leader? First immediate thought was Kublai being based on Genghis, but beyond that I can’t think of any specific examples. I’m mainly wondering in the case of Ethiopia, if it could help in any way to narrow down the potential pick. Probably not, but now that we know for the most part what’s coming on Thursday, speculation doesn’t sleep, but moves right onto pack 2!

 

[Thenewwwguy]

So there’s been a lot of talk about LSS and Bolivar reusing isle animations in the First Look videos - specifically, Amanitore and Pedro, respectively. I don’t intend to bring that debate here, I just want to note that it makes sense given that LSS has a similar build to Amanitore and Bolivar to Pedro + having similar clothing as well.

Why I bring this up is, whether or not the idle animations stay the same or not is irrelevant. However, both leaders having similar builds to the existing leader they were shown sharing idle animations with is probably a good indication that they used those two as a base to create LSS and Bolivar. Is this is the case, there’s a very likely possibility that they could be doing something similar for every other leader in the pass (namely, using an existing leader as a base model to save design and modeling time instead of having to create the entire leader from scratch).

Under the assumption that that’s the case, are there any leaders for civs that could easily translate into the game from the base model of an existing leader? First immediate thought was Kublai being based on Genghis, but beyond that I can’t think of any specific examples. I’m mainly wondering in the case of Ethiopia, if it could help in any way to narrow down the potential pick. Probably not, but now that we know for the most part what’s coming on Thursday, speculation doesn’t sleep, but moves right onto pack 2!

because the head can be any shape, and ethiopia has so many different possible leaders of so many different sizes, it’ll be hard to tell

 

[Thormodr]

Kublai Khan was extremely obese, especially later in life when he was conquering the Song Chinese dynasty.

Chinggis Khan was relatively fit and lived a life of hardship compared to his grandson Kublai, who quickly adapted to palace life.

So, I don't think they would use the same character model there, IMHO.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

So there’s been a lot of talk about LSS and Bolivar reusing isle animations in the First Look videos - specifically, Amanitore and Pedro, respectively. I don’t intend to bring that debate here, I just want to note that it makes sense given that LSS has a similar build to Amanitore and Bolivar to Pedro + having similar clothing as well.

Why I bring this up is, whether or not the idle animations stay the same or not is irrelevant. However, both leaders having similar builds to the existing leader they were shown sharing idle animations with is probably a good indication that they used those two as a base to create LSS and Bolivar. Is this is the case, there’s a very likely possibility that they could be doing something similar for every other leader in the pass (namely, using an existing leader as a base model to save design and modeling time instead of having to create the entire leader from scratch).

Under the assumption that that’s the case, are there any leaders for civs that could easily translate into the game from the base model of an existing leader? First immediate thought was Kublai being based on Genghis, but beyond that I can’t think of any specific examples. I’m mainly wondering in the case of Ethiopia, if it could help in any way to narrow down the potential pick. Probably not, but now that we know for the most part what’s coming on Thursday, speculation doesn’t sleep, but moves right onto pack 2!

I could see them using the animations from Saladin or Mansa Musa for an Ethiopian leader, depending on body shape.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Kublai Khan was extremely obese, especially later in life when he was conquering the Song Chinese dynasty.

Chinggis Khan was relatively fit and lived a life of hardship compared to his grandson Kublai, who quickly adapted to palace life.

So, I don't think they would use the same character model there, IMHO.

Kublai Khan using Qin’s or Musa Keita’s skeleton makes the most sense to me

 

[Thormodr]

Kublai Khan using Qin’s or Musa Keita’s skeleton makes the most sense to me

Yes, I agree.

They are both pretty hefty.

 

[AvianBritish]

I don't think anyone suggested him, but what if for DLC 5 we get Vietnam and Sejong as an alt leader for Korea?

In Rise and Fall both Mongolia and Korea were East Asian civs, so the alt leader can go to either if they make DLC 5 East Asian.

 

[blackcatatonic]

Definitely possible. I do think the two most likely options for the extra leader are Mongolia and Korea - either of which would sit nicely in a DLC along with Vietnam.

 

[Casworon]

Not gonna lie I am getting excited about the possibility of Kublai Khan as an alternative leader for both China and Mongolia.

Do any of the present historians have any idea about possible leader abilities. I'm guessing they will be less war focused than genghis

 

[AvianBritish]

The more I read about Kubali; I don't think he will be an alternative leader for China; and only one for Mongolia. He wasn't Han and from my breif wikipedia readings, he didn't support Han-Chinese which I don't think Firaxis would like tempt Chinese market officals with to be banned.

 

[AntSou]

The more I read about Kubali; I don't think he will be an alternative leader for China; and only one for Mongolia. He wasn't Han and from my breif wikipedia readings, he didn't support Han-Chinese which I don't think Firaxis would like tempt Chinese market officals with to be banned.

I suppose the Mongolian market is too small. If he isn't a double leader, a Korean leader is much more likely imo.

 

[Inhalaattori]

Rise and Fall had a lot of marginal Civs so Mongolia seems to be the only one that makes sense. I just cant see how they would add new leader to Civs like Georgia, Zulu, Mapuche or Cree. I guess they could add new leader to Dutch, Korea or Scotland, but I still think Mongolia is the clear favorite to get a second leader. I have to say I was really surprised they didnt add alternative leader or leaders to Vanilla Civs like America, Egypt, China or Rome.

Rise and Fall added Babylon and it is possible that they already then had some idea what Civs they are going to add in the future. So it is probably Portugal that we are going to see in the DLC number 4 and instead of Babylon we get Assyria.

 

[Uberfrog]

Considering Korea is already heavily science-focussed, and that was Civ 5’s approach with Sejong, I’m not sure what they can give him that would be interesting... If it is Korea getting the new leader maybe they’d go for someone else.

Kublai is the most obvious choice where a new leader represents a significant shift in play style... even if he ends up only leading Mongolia.

Or we could have James VI and I as a third leader for England as well as an alternate Scottish leader.

Mostly I’m disappointed the new leader is for an expansion Civ when Egypt is practically crying out for an ancient pharaoh!

 

[Socrates-]

Quick question: is there any proof that the choice to add new civs/leaders to the roster has something to do with a consumer-market?

I find it hard to believe a non civ-gamer will choose to buy the game because ‘their nation’ is in it.

Just wanted to know if Firaxis ever made a statement on this or that it’s just us as a community assuming such a thing.