[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Kimiimaro]

What I'm optimistic about is that they most probably have the pack content already done and may as well be working on something new while we receive the pieces of the pack one by one, and when March comes with the last part of this pack, we probably won't have to wait a whole year after that for new content again.

 

[Kmart_Elvis]

Out of the R&F civs who we are speculating may get an alt leader... Is maybe Netherlands the least likely? Wilhelmina's ability is so underwhelming (probably intentionally, Netherlands draws its power from its other abilities) that pretty much any other leader would be a straight upgrade and why would you use her any more? Unless they went for something with a mix of drawbacks and bonuses

I'm hoping it's them or Scotland. It's just such an underwhelming ability, like you said. Maybe if they scaled it so that it was +1 culture for each district in the city. A three district city would get +3 culture for the trade route, for example. Wouldn't be overpowered, but you can at least feel the bonuses. My personal wish is they could keep the +1 loyalty bonus as it is, but give the Dutch the ability to cancel trade routes, so that you could quickly re-route traders to help out, instead of having to keep traders on standby.

But you could make the case that Netherlands has a great civ Ability, UU, and UI so maybe that would be a bridge too far in giving them power. So I think Scotland would be a better candidate. Scotland just has a good civ Ability. Their UU and UI are so weak compared to others. And Robert's ability completely relies on declaring Wars of Liberation, which you may not even get to use in an entire game. Scotland could really use some help. An alt leader would be very welcome.

 

[Zaarin]

I think Scotland would be a better candidate.

Scotland was an edge case for inclusion in the first case, though; they hardly need a second leader.

 

[DWilson]

Mongolia's Kublai pairs well with Vietnam, who resisted Mongol/China invasion and rule during his reign. That's another reason I think he is a good fit.

 

[pokiehl]

This forum has a strange habit of groupthink for certain content. Kublai Khan is one in a long line. I'd prefer a different alt leader.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I just want all the Ancient/Classical Near Eastern civs plus a few Medieval ones. Every civ between Egypt and India for the Ancient/Classical era, plus a few like Armenia from the Middle Ages. I don't think that's unreasonable.

Well I've gotten all my Greeks including Macedon and probably Byzantines in the near future so that's fair.

 

[Leucarum]

I'm hoping it's them or Scotland. It's just such an underwhelming ability, like you said. Maybe if they scaled it so that it was +1 culture for each district in the city. A three district city would get +3 culture for the trade route, for example. Wouldn't be overpowered, but you can at least feel the bonuses. My personal wish is they could keep the +1 loyalty bonus as it is, but give the Dutch the ability to cancel trade routes, so that you could quickly re-route traders to help out, instead of having to keep traders on standby.

But you could make the case that Netherlands has a great civ Ability, UU, and UI so maybe that would be a bridge too far in giving them power. So I think Scotland would be a better candidate. Scotland just has a good civ Ability. Their UU and UI are so weak compared to others. And Robert's ability completely relies on declaring Wars of Liberation, which you may not even get to use in an entire game. Scotland could really use some help. An alt leader would be very welcome.

I can see what you mean, and good point about Bannockburn being weak too but it feels like Scotland or Netherlands would both invalidate using their previous leaders if a new one was added... Since Mapuche, Cree, Zulu and Georgia don't seem like they have obvious alternatives.... Mongols or Korea seem likely and of the two I'd bank on Mongolia.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

I’m surprised that we haven’t seen much mention of the Philippines: they’ve got two great leader options in Lapu Lapu or Corazón Aquino, they’d fill a part of Southeast Asia much less crowded than Vietnam, or we could perhaps see both, seeing as they could be considered a Oceania entry as well since Tagalog has language relations to Polynesian languages

I did a complete breakdown and analysis on reddit and I just saw this thread and finally joined to kinda mention this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/civ/commen...urce=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

For me, I see Portugal as an absolute certainty, with Babylon and Kublai Khan being the most likely after that

To respond to pokhiel in that regard, given all alts have been of base game civs and the alt leader in that pack requires rise and fall, Kublai being a leader for China and Mongolia would make absolute sense.

After Portugal, Babylon and Kublai, that leaves 3 possible slots open.

I see another European Civ: perhaps the Byzantines or Austria? Maybe Kievian Rus or someone less known like Croatia?

In Asia, perhaps we’ll see two of the Timurids, Vietnam or what I personally think is the most likely, the Philippines.

It’s all conjecture though

 

[agonistes]

God that looks so beautiful and surreal. It feels so mysterious, which is definitely fitting for the Bermuda Triangle! It would be hilarious if they make it where air units will just despawn if flying over it.

That looks like a black hole from gc3 colored blue.

 

[Inhalaattori]

This forum has a strange habit of groupthink for certain content. Kublai Khan is one in a long line. I'd prefer a different alt leader.

If the new leader would not be from R&F I would choose for example China or Rome before Mongolia. But from 8 new Civs from R&F Mongolia is pretty much the only one I can see getting a second leader. China would actually be my first choice. The theory that Kublai Khan could lead either Mongolia or China seems interesting.

Chinese Civ ability "dynastic cycles" is very generic. It is pretty similar to Greek ability in a way that it doesnt really make you play the game in any certain way. Its just general buff to both culture and science. So China definitely could use a new leader that is focused on something else than building wonders.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

This forum has a strange habit of groupthink for certain content. Kublai Khan is one in a long line. I'd prefer a different alt leader.

I don't know: he was kind of a big deal.

 

[Zaarin]

If the new leader would not be from R&F I would choose for example China or Rome before Mongolia. But from 8 new Civs from R&F Mongolia is pretty much the only one I can see getting a second leader. China would actually be my first choice. The theory that Kublai Khan could lead either Mongolia or China seems interesting.

Mongolia or Korea. The others seem unlikely.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Mongolia or Korea. The others seem unlikely.

there are two korean emperors named ‘the great’ — Sejong wouldn’t play differently than Seondeok, but Gwangaeto could be very interesting to play if they choose to add him.

Mongolia seems more likely

 

[Pistol90]

I would really like Portugal ... but I dont understand why you guys think its "certain" ... its about 60% chance I would said, and Byzantium about 75%. Beside those two I would also put 50% for one native american tribe, and rest would be some crazy choices I would guess (like Colombia or Maori)

 

[ubergeneral]

Am I the only one who doesn't like Kubli Khan as an alt leader? The mongols existed before the Golden Horde and after the collaspe of their empire they reformed into new nations.

I think an alt for them should represent a different mongol empire, and not the one time in history they had a massive empire.

Antagonise made a good mod that adds the Oirat mongols as a civ. Perhaps this is the path they want to take for them

 

[clapyourhands]

I would really like Portugal ... but I dont understand why you guys think its "certain" ... its about 60% chance I would said, and Byzantium about 75%. Beside those two I would also put 50% for one native american tribe, and rest would be some crazy choices I would guess (like Colombia or Maori)

Portugal was a key historical player that, despite being poor and nondescript in terms of available resources, had a resounding impact on polities all across the globe. It also lends itself well to a commercial colonial playstyle distinct from Spain, England, and the Maori, and was fairly popular in V with a well-realized design. It hasn't missed a game since it's inclusion. Lastly, while eurocentrism has certainly been a issue historically with the Civ franchise, I think that most people would agree that Portugal was an important civ in African, Asian, American (Brazil), and European history. It's a civ whose overall impact reached across many regions, so it seems like an easy inclusion as an expansion civ. IMO you could make an argument for Byzantium being lumped in with Rome (I'd want it separate, but the argument is valid), but representing Portuguese exploration merely through city-states or vicariously through other civs seems lacking.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

I would really like Portugal ... but I dont understand why you guys think its "certain" ... its about 60% chance I would said, and Byzantium about 75%. Beside those two I would also put 50% for one native american tribe, and rest would be some crazy choices I would guess (like Colombia or Maori)

Given the general hesitancy for firaxis to make overlaps, both in general geographic regions but also specific cities in this game compared to past ones, i wouldn’t think byzantium is as sure as it has been in the past, especially given that there’s 2 greeces (sparta and athens) and macedon as well as the Ottomans in the direct region, i don’t see it as likely as it has been before

I see portugal as near certain compared to the byzantines

 

[Zaarin]

Given the general hesitancy for firaxis to make overlaps

They put the same city on the Arab city list twice. About 75% of Macedon's city list is Alexandria, which also happens to be the capital of Egypt. Macedon's city list has huge geographic overlap with Persia's. I don't think they're that hesitant about overlap.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

They put the same city on the Arab city list twice. About 75% of Macedon's city list is Alexandria, which also happens to be the capital of Egypt. Macedon's city list has huge geographic overlap with Persia's. I don't think they're that hesitant about overlap.

Fair point, but that’s generally less of a concern when the culture isn’t as *empty*? as Macedon. Macedon was always a weird entry. They are essentially a 3rd greece and completely built around Alexander’s conquests, which were rebuilt cities in their own right or replaced by native culture cities. So i wouldn’t make that the bar.

Also, certain major cities do appear in the Arabia geography twice (Tripoli), and Alexander named all of his cities Alexandria

 

[Patine]

Mongolia's Kublai pairs well with Vietnam, who resisted Mongol/China invasion and rule during his reign. That's another reason I think he is a good fit.

It was the French that bested them in the end...