[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[CPWimmer]

Gathering Storm information was a leak no doubt. ....

Yeah I'm inclined to believe it was just guesswork as well. ...

So the fact that he "predicted"
100% of the GS Civs (including dark horses Canada and Maori)
Elanor as a leader of 2 Civs
Dams, Canals and Railroads
Diplomatic Victory
And toyed with the actual name of XP 2
And the fact that there would be an entire XP's worth of additional content after GS

Some of you now think he was "guessing" about what's coming next?

Until I see anything that proves this list wrong, I fully believe these are 6 of the Civ's we are getting:
"I think there'll be two more expansions for Civ VI rather than just one so Maya, Byzantium, Portugal, Assyria/Babylon, a Native American Civ, Ethiopia would be very likely for Expansion 3."

Yes, plans change - so anything could happen, but I would say he was working with major inside information, and that as of September 2018 these were all in VERY serious consideration for what is now NFP. They were probably even in a research/design phase at that point in time.

Personally, I would lean towards Vietnam as filling what would now be just 1 empty slot. It's not one that I would have originally put on my radar, but I think that an eastern Asian Civ of some kind would round out that group nicely.

 

[Inhalaattori]

Rise and Fall: the Mapuche and Cree from Americas. Zulu from Africa.
Gathering Storm: Canada and Inca from Americas. Mali from Africa.
New Frontier: Maya and Gran Colombia from Americas. Ethiopia from Africa..

They have a pattern with these. All have 9 new leaders and 8 new Civs. Both R&F and GS had 3 female leaders - I expect the same 3 female leaders from New Frontier. Both had 4 new Civs and 4 returning Civs. etc.

It is very likely that we will not get a new Civ from Americas. Its possible, but unlikely. Same goes unfortunately for Africa. I really would like to see more African Civs like Ghana or Morocco.

 

[ferretbacon]

So the fact that he "predicted"
100% of the GS Civs (including dark horses Canada and Maori)
Elanor as a leader of 2 Civs
Dams, Canals and Railroads
Diplomatic Victory
And toyed with the actual name of XP 2
And the fact that there would be an entire XP's worth of additional content after GS

Some of you now think he was "guessing" about what's coming next?

Until I see anything that proves this list wrong, I fully believe these are 6 of the Civ's we are getting:
"I think there'll be two more expansions for Civ VI rather than just one so Maya, Byzantium, Portugal, Assyria/Babylon, a Native American Civ, Ethiopia would be very likely for Expansion 3."

Yes, plans change - so anything could happen, but I would say he was working with major inside information, and that as of September 2018 these were all in VERY serious consideration for what is now NFP. They were probably even in a research/design phase at that point in time.

Personally, I would lean towards Vietnam as filling what would now be just 1 empty slot. It's not one that I would have originally put on my radar, but I think that an eastern Asian Civ of some kind would round out that group nicely.

I'd actually be very happy with those predictions with Gran Colombia and Vietnam. While there are some civs, both old and new, I wouldn't mind seeing, there aren't many I'd want at the expense of those on the list. Would I like to see Morocco or the Celts return? Would Italy be a cool civ? Sure. But the game wouldn't feel rounded out without Byzantium, Portugal, and Babylon, not to mention the currently underrepresented North American natives.

 

[bbbt]

So now we have 2 unique Campuses (Korea and Maya) and 2 unique harbors (England and Phonecia).

We'll likely get at least one more UD with the upcoming civs. Who/what is the most likely culprit? A unique holy site seems most likely to me, especially since Russia remains (to me) an odd choice for only civ with a unique holy site.

There's also the chance we get a UD via patch, at least in my wishful thinking: Khmer basically has a unique aqueduct as their UA, and a unique holy site as their LUA. I think they should just get the Baray as a UD (aqueduct or dam possibly) and a new UA as a buff.

 

[ferretbacon]

So now we have 2 unique Campuses (Korea and Maya) and 2 unique harbors (England and Phonecia).

We'll likely get at least one more UD with the upcoming civs. Who/what is the most likely culprit? A unique holy site seems most likely to me, especially since Russia remains (to me) an odd choice for only civ with a unique holy site.

There's also the chance we get a UD via patch, at least in my wishful thinking: Khmer basically has a unique aqueduct as their UA, and a unique holy site as their LUA. I think they should just get the Baray as a UD (aqueduct or dam possibly) and a new UA as a buff.

I could imagine Ethiopia getting a unique holy site.

 

[Inhalaattori]

So the fact that he "predicted"
100% of the GS Civs (including dark horses Canada and Maori)
Elanor as a leader of 2 Civs
Dams, Canals and Railroads
Diplomatic Victory
And toyed with the actual name of XP 2
And the fact that there would be an entire XP's worth of additional content after GS

Some of you now think he was "guessing" about what's coming next?

Until I see anything that proves this list wrong, I fully believe these are 6 of the Civ's we are getting:
"I think there'll be two more expansions for Civ VI rather than just one so Maya, Byzantium, Portugal, Assyria/Babylon, a Native American Civ, Ethiopia would be very likely for Expansion 3."

Yes, plans change - so anything could happen, but I would say he was working with major inside information, and that as of September 2018 these were all in VERY serious consideration for what is now NFP. They were probably even in a research/design phase at that point in time.

Personally, I would lean towards Vietnam as filling what would now be just 1 empty slot. It's not one that I would have originally put on my radar, but I think that an eastern Asian Civ of some kind would round out that group nicely.

These two things (information about GS and guess about future Civs) have nothing in common. He had information about GS. He didnt have information about New Frontier as far as I know.

After GS we have very short list of Civs that were in both CIV IV and CIV V. These include Maya, Ethiopia, Byzantium, Babylon and Portugal. It is pretty much given that most of these will be in the New Frontier. Other Civs that we dont yet have, but were in CIV IV and CIV V include Celts and Carthago. Well we have Scotland and Phoenicia that have in many ways taken their place. I wouldnt totally rule out Celts or Gauls though, but Phoenicia led by Dido rules out Carthago. His guess is mostly right because we have very short list of fan favorite Civs that we dont yet have in the game. Im not saying he is wrong. But his guess includes all the Civs that we practically already knew would be in the game.

He didnt say anything about Gran Colombia... or any other Civs that are new to the series.

 

[AntSou]

Rise and Fall: the Mapuche and Cree from Americas. Zulu from Africa.
Gathering Storm: Canada and Inca from Americas. Mali from Africa.
New Frontier: Maya and Gran Colombia from Americas. Ethiopia from Africa..

They have a pattern with these. All have 9 new leaders and 8 new Civs. Both R&F and GS had 3 female leaders - I expect the same 3 female leaders from New Frontier. Both had 4 new Civs and 4 returning Civs. etc.

It is very likely that we will not get a new Civ from Americas. Its possible, but unlikely. Same goes unfortunately for Africa. I really would like to see more African Civs like Ghana or Morocco.

Patterns aren't rules and they can be made up to fit pre-conceived notions. Where's the pattern regarding Asian Civs from R&F and GS?

These two things (information about GS and guess about future Civs) have nothing in common. He had information about GS. He didnt have information about New Frontier as far as I know.

And how would you know that before the fact? It's not like people knew he was a leaker before the actual Civs and content for GS were announced, it was only in hindsight.

 

[Zaarin]

I could imagine Ethiopia getting a unique holy site.

When someone suggested Lalibela as a Temple replacement, I hesitated--but as a unique Holy Site, absolutely yes.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I think it will either be stellas as a unique monument (we don't have any of those in the game yet) or Rock-Hewn Church as a UB or U. Improvement.

 

[bbbt]

I could imagine Ethiopia getting a unique holy site.

That seems like a good call, especially since I could seem them 'leading' with the Civs with the UDs for the start of the pass.

 

[Inhalaattori]

Patterns aren't rules and they can be made up to fit pre-conceived notions. Where's the pattern regarding Asian Civs from R&F and GS?

And how would you know that before the fact? It's not like people knew he was a leaker before the actual Civs and content for GS were announced, it was only in hindsight.

Guess is not a Leak. He didnt even say in the post he had any information about the new Civs. He didnt say it was "a leak". It is also clear he didnt have any real information about the new Civs, because listing some 90-100% certain Civs and saying expansion will have "Babylon OR Assyria" is not actual information. What people want to know is what the NEW Civs will be. He didnt have information about these so his guess is pretty much totally irrelevant.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

When someone suggested Lalibela as a Temple replacement, I hesitated--but as a unique Holy Site, absolutely yes.

I imagined it could be a shrine or unique Worship building as well. But Holy Site makes just as much sense.

I think it will either be stellas as a unique monument (we don't have any of those in the game yet) or Rock-Hewn Church as a UB or U. Improvement.

I'm not sure there is any reason to have a stelae as a unique monument, since all of them are supposed to be graphically unique according to the culture. It could easily be added as an ability that monuments grant some faith. Like for Ezana.

 

[blackcatatonic]

Rise and Fall: the Mapuche and Cree from Americas. Zulu from Africa.
Gathering Storm: Canada and Inca from Americas. Mali from Africa.
New Frontier: Maya and Gran Colombia from Americas. Ethiopia from Africa..

They have a pattern with these. All have 9 new leaders and 8 new Civs. Both R&F and GS had 3 female leaders - I expect the same 3 female leaders from New Frontier. Both had 4 new Civs and 4 returning Civs. etc.

It is very likely that we will not get a new Civ from Americas. Its possible, but unlikely. Same goes unfortunately for Africa. I really would like to see more African Civs like Ghana or Morocco.

While I place some credibility in the AssemblingTyphoon list, I actually tend towards this interpretation as well. My theory is that they decided to go for Gran Colombia at some point at the expense of a Native American Civ (which was clearly never fleshed out even at the time he was posting). I think that they've given us the Mapuche as a South American Native Civ in place of the standard second North American Native Civ (the North American continent now being additionally represented by Canada).

This isn't going to be sufficient representation for North America but I do think there will be options open for further DLC after this - especially if we don't get all of Babylon, Byzantium and Portugal.

Vietnam (or at least another Civ from South East/Eastern Asia) has got to be cast-iron guaranteed since the only Asian Civ in GS was the Ottomans.

 

[Inawordyes]

Amongst the general fanbase, is Lorenzo de’ Medici one of, if not the most popular choice for leading an Italian civ? I know he’s not really been mentioned in here when talking Italy from what I’ve seen, but the Tuscany mod for V is really popular, and we’ve gotten at least Kongo, maybe Mapuche too(?), from the popularity of their V mods thrusting them into the conversation. He’s also a big personality with an interesting story during his life, which lines up with Firaxis’ general philosophy for VI leaders.

 

[Kwami]

Guess is not a Leak. He didnt even say in the post he had any information about the new Civs. He didnt say it was "a leak". It is also clear he didnt have any real information about the new Civs, because listing some 90-100% certain Civs and saying expansion will have "Babylon OR Assyria" is not actual information. What people want to know is what the NEW Civs will be. He didnt have information about these so his guess is pretty much totally irrelevant.

We know that he had inside information at the time of his posts. We don't know if he had information about what became New Frontier. To claim that he absolutely didn't have such information is dishonest. You don't know what was already being planned and developed and you don't know what he had access to.

 

[Uberfrog]

So the fact that he "predicted"
100% of the GS Civs (including dark horses Canada and Maori)
Elanor as a leader of 2 Civs
Dams, Canals and Railroads
Diplomatic Victory
And toyed with the actual name of XP 2
And the fact that there would be an entire XP's worth of additional content after GS

Some of you now think he was "guessing" about what's coming next?

AssemblingTyphoon said that they were guessing:

I think there'll be two more expansions for Civ VI rather than just one so Maya, Byzantium, Portugal, Assyria/Babylon, a Native American Civ, Ethiopia would be very likely for Expansion 3

That’s why, despite their record with Gathering Storm and that they obviously are (or at least were) well connected with the design team, this is not a “leak”, and why it does not compare to the complete reveal of the final list of Civs that was the GS leak.

Very possibly these were mooted civs that didn’t make the cut last time. Very possibly they will all be in this new lot of DLC. But frankly it is an unsurprising list of safe bets and old favourites that would have been common guesses anyway.

 

[blackcatatonic]

Amongst the general fanbase, is Lorenzo de’ Medici one of, if not the most popular choice for leading an Italian civ? I know he’s not really been mentioned in here when talking Italy from what I’ve seen, but the Tuscany mod for V is really popular, and we’ve gotten at least Kongo, maybe Mapuche too(?), from the popularity of their V mods thrusting them into the conversation. He’s also a big personality with an interesting story during his life, which lines up with Firaxis’ general philosophy for VI leaders.

I would love this. I wrote in another thread earlier today that I have a feeling they might go for a Risorgimento-era leader instead and focus the Civ around assimilating City-States. I'm not going to lie, I'll take Italy in any form (within reason) but I much prefer the idea of Lorenzo leading a Renaissance-era culture and tourism-focused Italy.

Will be amusing having another Medici in the game too

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Amongst the general fanbase, is Lorenzo de’ Medici one of, if not the most popular choice for leading an Italian civ? I know he’s not really been mentioned in here when talking Italy from what I’ve seen, but the Tuscany mod for V is really popular, and we’ve gotten at least Kongo, maybe Mapuche too(?), from the popularity of their V mods thrusting them into the conversation. He’s also a big personality with an interesting story during his life, which lines up with Firaxis’ general philosophy for VI leaders.

I'm sticking with Cosimo just because of the sole fact that the family bank expanded during his time as head, where the family bank under Lorenzo was on the decline and several branches collapsed. But both would offer a similar playstyle with gold/great people/great works generation and I'd be fine with Lorenzo.
I'd be fine with any Medieval/Renaissance leader for Italy actually, if it means we get them.

 

[WillowBrook]

AssemblingTyphoon said that they were guessing:



That’s why, despite their record with Gathering Storm and that they obviously are (or at least were) well connected with the design team, this is not a “leak”, and why it does not compare to the complete reveal of the final list of Civs that was the GS leak.

Very possibly these were mooted civs that didn’t make the cut last time. Very possibly they will all be in this new lot of DLC. But frankly it is an unsurprising list of safe bets and old favourites that would have been common guesses anyway.

He used identical "I think" language with his list of predicted civs for GS:
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/all-quiet-on-the-civ-front.633171/page-31#post-15222797

But I'm not sure why we're arguing over whether his third explanation list was a leak or a guess - it's 20 months old, so even if it was based on genuine inside info (which we know he had about GS), so much can change in that time that it doesn't amount to more than a good guess at this point even if it was a leak then.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I wrote in another thread earlier today that I have a feeling they might go for a Risorgimento-era leader instead and focus the Civ around assimilating City-States.

I'll admit, that as much as I want Italy, I would be disappointed if they made everything based around post-unification and modern Italy. At that point I would rather another Civ in it's place. I'm hoping that wouldn't be the case especially since Ed Beach is fascinated with the Renaissance/Early Modern Europe.
I am also hoping they don't go too modern with Ethiopia as well.