[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[TeddyMain]

What if, instead of stacking coastal bonuses, Hawai'i can only settle on islands smaller than seven tiles, and then spend the rest of the game sustaining themselves on good nature and ukelele songs?

Honestly, I see Hawai'i getting a bonuses to volcanoes and volcanic soil, as well as some bonuses (maybe culture and gold?) to coastal tiles and reefs.

 

[DJ_Tanner]

Honestly, I see Hawai'i getting a bonuses to volcanoes and volcanic soil, as well as some bonuses (maybe culture and gold?) to coastal tiles and reefs.

New luxury: Spam
-2 amenities to any civ that has it, +10 for Hawai'i.

 

[DWilson]

New luxury: Spam
-2 amenities to any civ that has it, +10 for Hawai'i.

I think it's also regularly used in South Korea

 

[DJ_Tanner]

I think it's also regularly used in South Korea

It actually does fairly well across East and Southeast Asia (canned meat makes way more sense for island nations), but Hawai'i has both mastered the use and aggressively celebrates it.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

It actually does fairly well across East and Southeast Asia (canned meat makes way more sense for island nations), but Hawai'i has both mastered the use and aggressively celebrates it.

I wonder if its popularity can still be traced and tracked to the military bases and US servicemen stationed in various places.

 

[PhilBowles]

The Faith with them is more posing fanbase and strong conviction on same level as religion.

So why is it spreading culture instead of faith? The rock concerts are presumably increasing the fervour of the fanbase.

I don't have any objection to treating music as faith rather than culture, strange as it is conceptually, but it evidently is treated in two different ways by the game.

In this case passionate environmentalism is seen not like policy to be used by government or created art but strong conviction that it is the right thing.

Except that isn't what's represented in game. Naturalists in-game have a sole purpose: to gazette national parks, which are policy instruments used by governments to protect areas for one of a range of purposes - which include pragmatic grounds such as protecting watersheds from development, aesthetic considerations that have nothing to do with protecting wildlife or the environment beyond a desire to keep it looking nice to attract tourists - rather than ideological environmentalism. Similarly the unit is called a Naturalist, a term which applies to professional scientists and natural history collectors rather than environmental advocacy groups, rather than something like Environmentalist.

Using faith to generate naturalists is an arbitrary game mechanic - it has no more thematic association with faith than using faith to hire Albert Einstein does.

 

[DJ_Tanner]

I wonder if its popularity can still be traced and tracked to the military bases and US servicemen stationed in various places.

Good observation, that would not surprise me at all.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

Good observation, that would not surprise me at all.

"Our people are now buying your Blue Jeans and SPAM . . . "

 

[Jeppetto]

So why is it spreading culture instead of faith? The rock concerts are presumably increasing the fervour of the fanbase.

You need Faith to purchase them, as their celebrity status comes from worship. They provide Tourism, because they become famous in foreign land, attracting tourists from the new fans from among the foreigners.

Except that isn't what's represented in game. Naturalists in-game have a sole purpose: to gazette national parks, which are policy instruments used by governments to protect areas for one of a range of purposes - which include pragmatic grounds such as protecting watersheds from development, aesthetic considerations that have nothing to do with protecting wildlife or the environment beyond a desire to keep it looking nice to attract tourists - rather than ideological environmentalism. Similarly the unit is called a Naturalist, a term which applies to professional scientists and natural history collectors rather than environmental advocacy groups, rather than something like Environmentalist.

Using faith to generate naturalists is an arbitrary game mechanic - it has no more thematic association with faith than using faith to hire Albert Einstein does.

Given that it provides Tourism, it's quite evidently presented as aethetic grounds where the Naturalist appeals to have the grounds protected (can't have District or Improvement) to maintain its look, since one of possible unlockers in also high Appeal of the tile. Niagara Falls would be much less attractive If you slap Factory next to it and it's filled with garbage.

 

[Zaarin]

Niagara Falls would be much less attractive If you slap Factory next to it and it's filled with garbage.

Have you been there? Because the area around Niagara Falls is, in fact, highly industrial.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

Have you been there? Because the area around Niagara Falls is, in fact, highly industrial.

Yeah they kinda ruined it frankly

 

[AntSou]

You need Faith to purchase them, as their celebrity status comes from worship.

Hmm... I think you need Faith to maximise the utility of this currency in later eras.

 

[Jeppetto]

Have you been there? Because the area around Niagara Falls is, in fact, highly industrial.

I meant the next to them literally

 

[Kouvb593kdnuewnd]

It is quite strange you can purchase units with gold and faith instantly, in reality military Equipment still need to be produced somewhere.

 

[The Kingmaker]

Chief Joseph of the Nez Perce would be mine (especially since the Nez Perce were the premier horse breeders of the region, being the originators of the Appaloosa horse), but Geronimo would have the name-recognition factor.

I would ordinarily expect name recognition to be of prime consideration when selecting a leader. I can’t speak to whether Poundmaker is a household name in Canada though.

I might anticipate that any subsequent Native American selections could well be influenced by the leader’s name recognition.

Without advocating for any of these specifically, these are the main “textbook” Native Americans that most Americans have heard of, at least in school:

Sitting Bull
Crazy Horse
Red Cloud
Sacagawea
Hiawatha
Tecumseh
Sequoyah
Chief Joseph
Geronimo
Powhatan
Pocahontas
Samoset
Squanto

Some may also know of Pontiac, Joseph Brant, Black Hawk, Pocatello and Po’pay, if they are more well-read.

 

[leandrombraz]

It might not even be Civ related, but Geoff Knorr shared on Facebook that he recorded something with a Orchestra from Prague, Czech Republic. That doesn't necessarily means they are recording a Czech theme, but still, I thought you guys might want to consider the possibility.

 

[The Kingmaker]

It might not even be Civ related, but Geoff Knorr shared on Facebook that he recorded something with a Orchestra from Prague, Czech Republic. That doesn't necessarily means they are recording a Czech theme, but still, I thought you guys might want to consider the possibility.

I thought he already did most of his recording with the Prague Philharmonic? They do a lot of soundtracks.

 

[Zaarin]

It might not even be Civ related, but Geoff Knorr shared on Facebook that he recorded something with a Orchestra from Prague, Czech Republic. That doesn't necessarily means they are recording a Czech theme, but still, I thought you guys might want to consider the possibility.

I thought all the Western orchestration in Civ6 was done with the Prague Philharmonic? I could be wrong. I think @Kimiimaro and I are the only ones actually hoping for a Bohemian civ (though I want it more as a replacement for Poland in Civ7).

 

[PhilBowles]

Given that it provides Tourism, it's quite evidently presented as aethetic grounds where the Naturalist appeals to have the grounds protected (can't have District or Improvement) to maintain its look, since one of possible unlockers in also high

The sorts of environmental movements you seem to have in mind aren't, however, ideologically based on preserving aesthetics - indeed the notion of national parks as existing to preserve wildlife specifically, rather than to secure attractive landscapes like Yosemite for their aesthetic appeal, is now so ingrained in the environmental movement that there's a misconception that all national parks exist for wildlife, including places like Grand Canyon National Park that have limited biological value, and this has even become a common view in the UK - none of whose national parks exclude human settlement and very few of which are intended primarily for the benefit of wildlife.

The specific implementation of national parks in Civ VI seems very much to be utilitarian: you keep the aesthetically attractive landscape (based mainly around Natural Wonders which aren't workable anyway) clear of improvements for tourism value.

Appeal of the tile. Niagara Falls would be much less attractive If you slap Factory next to it and it's filled with garbage.

Not an especially good example as Niagara Falls is at this point an essentially artificial landscape - dams and erosion control have kept the falls looking much as they did in the 19th Century, which wouldn't have been the case naturally.

I would ordinarily expect name recognition to be of prime consideration when selecting a leader. I can’t speak to whether Poundmaker is a household name in Canada though.

I might anticipate that any subsequent Native American selections could well be influenced by the leader’s name recognition.

Without advocating for any of these specifically, these are the main “textbook” Native Americans that most Americans have heard of, at least in school:

Sitting Bull
Crazy Horse
Red Cloud
Sacagawea
Hiawatha
Tecumseh
Sequoyah
Chief Joseph
Geronimo
Powhatan
Pocahontas
Samoset
Squanto

Some may also know of Pontiac, Joseph Brant, Black Hawk, Pocatello and Po’pay, if they are more well-read.

That's more than I'd have thought. Hiawatha is probably mythical but has been used before. Pocahontas, Sacagawea and Geronimo, at least, were not leaders of their respective tribes or nations - though Geronimo would be a good choice for a Great General. Plenty of good options among the remainder depending on which tribe they choose to represent, though.

 

[The Kingmaker]

That's more than I'd have thought. Hiawatha is probably mythical but has been used before. Pocahontas, Sacagawea and Geronimo, at least, were not leaders of their respective tribes or nations - though Geronimo would be a good choice for a Great General. Plenty of good options among the remainder depending on which tribe they choose to represent, though.

Well, those are the ones mentioned in the grade school textbooks. Not everyone got As on their history tests, I’m sure.

You could probably reduce it to just Pocahontas, Hiawatha, Geronimo, Squanto, Sacagawea, Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse for the B+ students.

As for the D- students, everyone still knows Pocahontas thanks to Disney. They should also know Sacagawea since she was on the gold dollar coins, but who knows?