[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Henri Christophe]

That Akbar did NOT saw himself as Mongol leader.

Source please, I really want to see this discussion.
If I'm wrong, I want to know.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

Of course all can speak about everywhere. But if I found a Maori source telling an history different then yours. Why I should agree with you?
Why we are so focus just in White sources.
The White was the Empire, they conquer all corners of the world, still saying the world is as they understand it is agree of the Empire.
Birtish Empire still a thing, they have lands in Canada and Australia.

Aborigenes peoples isn't allowed in this game as someone said before. Is it the consequence of Imperialist History. We will still just doing White Civs, No-White Civs is a big and great NOT.

You do know that you are being racist and based much as those people you attack right? They say only European souces matter and you say European sources are rubbish just because it came from Europe.

 

[Grand-Admiral Thrawn]

Of course all can speak about everywhere. But if I found a Maori source telling an history different then yours. Why I should agree with you?
Why we are so focus just in White sources.
The White was the Empire, they conquer all corners of the world, still saying the world is as they understand it is agree of the Empire.
Birtish Empire still a thing, they have lands in Canada and Australia.

Aborigenes peoples isn't allowed in this game as someone said before. Is it the consequence of Imperialist History. We will still just doing White Civs, No-White Civs is a big and great NOT.

Australia and Canada are independent! They just have the same figurehead monarch with 0 power

also, being white doesn’t automatically invalidate a historian

 

[Kupe Navigator]

Source please, I really want to see this discussion.
If I'm wrong, I want to know.

K give me source that he claimed he was Mongol Empire?

 

[Henri Christophe]

Australia and Canada are independent! They just have the same figurehead monarch with 0 power

also, being white doesn’t automatically invalidate a historian

Yeah yeah, this is the White Understanding of it.
However, now I'm thinking in Mughal-Mongol Issue.

Please, if you find any NO-Européan source about that I would like to take a look.

Please, if you have it, give to me.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Of course all can speak about everywhere. But if I found a Maori source telling an history different then yours. Why I should agree with you?
Why we are so focus just in White sources.
The White was the Empire, they conquer all corners of the world, still saying the world is as they understand it is agree of the Empire.
Birtish Empire still a thing, they have lands in Canada and Australia.

Aborigenes peoples isn't allowed in this game as someone said before. Is it the consequence of Imperialist History. We will still just doing White Civs, No-White Civs is a big and great NOT.

I don’t think you understand the difference between personal accounts and historians

Historians are supposed to be unbiased. regardless of their identity, they have studied a topic for years. They know history just as well as someone of a different identity with the same topic because they both have access to the same source material

First-person accounts are the source material historians use to develop their work. In first-person accounts, it’s more important to take the word of natives cuz they would’ve known more about that topic at that time

But a maori person in 2019 and a white person in 2019 only have the same resources or understand maori history in 800 AD. The Maori historian doesn’t have some secret telepathic powers that give them secret knowledge about maori people

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Please, if you find any NO-Européan source about that I would like to take a look.

Please, if you have it, give to me.

Why don’t you prove your point first?

 

[Kupe Navigator]

Yeah yeah, this is the White Understanding of it.
However, now I'm thinking in Mughal-Mongol Issue.

Please, if you find any NO-Européan source about that I would like to take a look.

Please, if you have it, give to me.

And you are adking it in English website because? Most of us can't speak in Hindu or Mongolian language. Most of us DO speak in English so that is why we are giving english evidences.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Aborigenes peoples isn't allowed in this game as someone said before. Is it the consequence of Imperialist History. We will still just doing White Civs, No-White Civs is a big and great NOT.

Aboriginal people can’t be in the game because the depiction of the dead is considered taboo. So they aren’t allowed to animate a leader for an aboriginal group because it’s against their cultural law to do that. It has nothing to do with Imperialism

 

[Henri Christophe]

I don’t think you understand the difference between personal accounts and historians

Historians are supposed to be unbiased. regardless of their identity, they have studied a topic for years. They know history just as well as someone of a different identity with the same topic because they both have access to the same source material

First-person accounts are the source material historians use to develop their work. In first-person accounts, it’s more important to take the word of natives cuz they would’ve known more about that topic at that time

But a maori person in 2019 and a white person in 2019 only have the same resources or understand maori history in 800 AD. The Maori historian doesn’t have some secret telepathic powers that give them secret knowledge about maori people

I need to agree on that, the people who lives in the same enviroment will have the same ideas don't matter their skin color.

Because it not easy to avoid European-Imperailst Ideas. I really want to see about Mughal-Mongol Issue.
What they think about they self. I need to say how weak is my understanding about this and any no-european source about that can make good for all of us.

 

[Jeppetto]

The Rome-Slavic Empire just fall 1917 because COMMUNISM!

Who calls it rome-slavic empire, tho? Since you think these things should be defined by what the people inside consider it rather than outsiders, I mean.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

I need to agree on that, the people who lives in the same enviroment will have the same ideas don't matter their skin color.

Because it easy avoid European-Imperailst Ideas. I really want to see about Mughal-Mongol Issue.
What they think about they self. I need to say how weak is my understanding about this and any no-european source about that can make good for all of us.

where is your non-european source that Akbar thought he was the emperor of the mongols

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Who calls it rome-slavic empire, tho? Since you think these things should be defined by what the people inside consider it rather than outsiders, I mean.

conspiracy theorists

 

[Henri Christophe]

Aboriginal people can’t be in the game because the depiction of the dead is considered taboo. So they aren’t allowed to animate a leader for an aboriginal group because it’s against their cultural law to do that

Fantastic! Australian law forbid speak about Aborigens>
I'm Astonished!!!!!

It make me think even more how White Empire still going. It is so sad.
None here think how our Status Quo can still killing lifes abroad. The Status Quo make the White-Empire survive and alive.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Fantastic! Australian law forbid speak about Aborigens>
I'm Astonished!!!!!

It make me think even more how White Empire still going. It is so sad.
None here think how our Status Quo can still killing lifes abroad. The Status Quo make the White-Empire survive and alive.

what??

The Aboriginal people themselves are the ones who do not allow the depiction of the dead. It has nothing to do with Australian law.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

I need to agree on that, the people who lives in the same enviroment will have the same ideas don't matter their skin color.

Because it easy avoid European-Imperailst Ideas. I really want to see about Mughal-Mongol Issue.
What they think about they self. I need to say how weak is my understanding about this and any no-european source about that can make good for all of us.

European source is just as good as non-European ones. It just matters on its historical value. Look when I was in University learning about Edo period in Japan we used both translated Japanese source and secondary English history books. Was my university wrong to use English history books?

 

[Zaarin]

Can we please stop indulging Henri Christophe's racist agenda that seeps through and boils over virtually all of his posts?

just curious though, does Seondeok speak Sillan or modern Korean in civ 6?

Modern, unfortunately. Very modern, even to my non-Korean ears.

In fact according to Korean scholars She is often looked negatively because she was too much in to Buddism and did nothing to solve crisis that Silla was facing at the time.

She's often looked at negatively because Joseon chroniclers were Confucians who believed women shouldn't rule nations. See also: Wu Zetian. Contemporary chroniclers spoke very highly of her. Also, considering Silla was by far the most important of the three kingdoms (despite Goguryeo controlling more territory), I think your unification argument is rather specious.

I’ve never heard Iranic or Persian people dislike to be called Persian. Aryan is an ethnic grouping distinction. It applies to North Indians, the people who live in the Caucasus, and nearly all europeans, as it refers to the descendants of the Proto-Indo-European people.

Correction: it applies to Indo-Iranians only. While there once was a theory PIE people called themselves "Aryan," there's no evidence for use of the term aside from Indians and Iranians. It's likely the Proto-Indo-Iranian people called themselves that--or, since it has no accepted etymology, that someone else called them that and it stuck. If anything, there's decent evidence the PIE called themselves "Ourselves," since tribal names rooted in *swe- are found across PIE-derived families (Suetones, Sabians, Suebi, etc.).

Aryans are not the same thing as Persians

Well, yes and no. Irān comes from Old Persian Aryān, Middle Persian Ērān. It crops up a lot in Iranian ethnonyms. But it's only preserved as Aryan in Indic languages.

While Persian isn’t the demonym for Iran, neither is Aryan; the proper term is Iranian

A lot of people in the diaspora prefer Persian to distance themselves from the modern state.

Now I am getting flashbacks of the wall of text Philip and Frederick spam as to what they control when you meet them

Claiming to rule a lot more than you do is a monarchic tradition as old as monarchy.

 

[Grand-Admiral Thrawn]

Fantastic! Australian law forbid speak about Aborigens>
I'm Astonished!!!!!

It make me think even more how White Empire still going. It is so sad.
None here think how our Status Quo can still killing lifes abroad. The Status Quo make the White-Empire survive and alive.

It’s not law, it’s custom (non-binding, made by the aboriginals themselves)

 

[Republic of San Montuoso]

European source is just as good as non-European ones. It just matters on its historical value. Look when I was in University learning about Edo period in Japan we used both translated Japanese source and secondary English history books. Was my university wrong to use English history books?

It depends who wrote those History books and when they've been written.

History is journalism but for the past, and tell me journalism is no subject to opinion and ideologies.

 

[Henri Christophe]

Can we please stop indulging Henri Christophe's racist agenda that seeps through and boils over virtually all of his posts?


Modern, unfortunately. Very modern, even to my non-Korean ears.


She's often looked at negatively because Joseon chroniclers were Confucians who believed women shouldn't rule nations. See also: Wu Zetian. Contemporary chroniclers spoke very highly of her. Also, considering Silla was by far the most important of the three kingdoms (despite Goguryeo controlling more territory), I think your unification argument is rather specious.


Correction: it applies to Indo-Iranians only. While there once was a theory PIE people called themselves "Aryan," there's no evidence for use of the term aside from Indians and Iranians. It's likely the Proto-Indo-Iranian people called themselves that--or, since it has no accepted etymology, that someone else called them that and it stuck. If anything, there's decent evidence the PIE called themselves "Ourselves," since tribal names rooted in *swe- are found across PIE-derived families (Suetones, Sabians, Suebi, etc.).


Well, yes and no. Irān comes from Old Persian Aryān, Middle Persian Ērān. It crops up a lot in Iranian ethnonyms. But it's only preserved as Aryan in Indic languages.


A lot of people in the diaspora prefer Persian to distance themselves from the modern state.


Claiming to rule a lot more than you do is a monarchic tradition as old as monarchy.

It is not a racist agenda. C'mon, the world is racist and any try to make it less racist is considered racism?
No way.
I just want more diverse nation, I want to fill all globe with all ethincity there is.
Why you think a diverse world should be racist?

I think racism is a game just with White Leaders in all corners.