[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[SirMediocrity]

I want all three. Of course that isn’t likely to happen unless DLC seasons keep going right up until Civ7. Which I wouldn’t be opposed to, honestly.

All three would be great, but if I could only choose one, it would be the Hittites.

 

[The Kingmaker]

All three would be great, but if I could only choose one, it would be the Hittites.

For me it’s Babylon > Assyria > Hittites.

But again, I’d rather not have to choose.

 

[conorbebe]

I'm probably the only guy who wants the Hittites over Assyria or Babylon.

I would also prefer to have the Hittites, purely because they're more distinct from Assyria and Babylon, which are already represented to an extent by Sumer, being a sort of precursor civilisation.

 

[bbbt]

I think the new map will tie into both civs. So I don't think we will get two European civs, or two East Asian civs for expack 3.

There are two large "continents" they haven't made maps for yet. Americas (presuming north and south combined) and Africa. There is also the possibility of a Middle East map. The ironic thing is that both America and Africa have already featured in DLC packs 1 and 2, so if we got either of those continents we would likely need at least one more American/African civ to tie the pack together. Here are some possible outcomes:

I'd be inclined to think instead of a 'Middle East' map it might actually be more of a 'Mediterranean' one - i.e. that could fit say both Assyria and the Berbers. Assyria and Portugal might be a stretch though in terms of distance. Assyria and Renaissance Italy? Those are all weird combos outside of map considerations though.

 

[Codeword Iroquois]

We knew about the Ethiopia Pack in May though so theoretically they should tell us now.

I'm not sure they would reveal it so soon, though. Ethiopia, Maya, and Gran Colombia have all been fairly heavily requested. They seem to be the hook into the pack, with the rest being more pleasant surprises. Someone said a few pages ago that Genghis and Suleiman would have been enough to sell their respective expansions, and I think Maya, Ethiopia and GC are what NFP is getting for that. The rest of the content might just be a hidden icing on top.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Since we've officially revealed that Ethiopia has a unique improvement, and not a Holy Site, I'm wondering what other possible infrastructure the new Civs can have?

Here's a list of buildings that don't have a replacement yet and what I think could possibly go there, or at least the ones I think are most likely to get a replacement.

Monument: We don't need one. We have the Old God Obelisk.

Shrine: I feel like some Civ will get one but I'm not sure who. Vietnam has an interesting history most of their population today still holds on to traditional folk religion so a shrine replacement representing that might not be out of the realm of possibility, however at the same time the Water Puppet Theater sounds like it might work better as an improvement. I'll throw in Burma as a possibility as well.

Library: I think Babylon or Assyria could get this. Babylon is a science city-state already and it would flow right into it's suzerain ability with it being able to hold a Great Work of Writing Slot. Assyria could easily get it to even as a Leader infrastructure for Ashurbanipal.

Workshop: My preference if we could get a unique workshop could go to Italy. It could grant culture and extra writer, artist, and musician points in addition to the abilites of a regular workshop.

Granary: Longhouse for Iroquois would work or even a Ceremonial Hogan for the Navajo instead of making it an improvement.

Lighthouse/Shipyard/Seaport?: After two unique harbor replacements I'm not sure if this will happen. The civs that could have possibly gotten a unique lighthouse has past I think. Portugal could get a shipyard but I expect them to get a Feitoria in the form of an improvement.

Art Museum/Archaeological Museum: I don't see this one happening unless Italy above could get some sort of third option that could hold both? Though I don't associate Italy with archaeology.

Armory: Assyria was known for building some of the first arsenals/armories in the world so this could be an option. This would synergize with their Ancient Era military engineering skills as well.

As for districts I think there's a possibility we might get one more unique district as the past 2 expansions we've had 2. Considering the Campus and Harbor has 2 already I won't do a prediction for them as well. Nor the Water Park, Govt. Plaza, Dam, Canal or Diplo Quarter because they are in expansions/DLC. Also Spaceport and Aerodrome for reasons.

Holy Site: Since Ethiopia didn't get it I'll throw out Burma as a possibility again. I could see the Byzantines, but I'd rather them not get one as it would be too similar to the Russia Lavra.

Encampment: If Assyria doesn't get a unique armory, I don't see why not they could get a unique Encampment. I'll also throw out maybe a Kasbah for Berbers/Morocco.

Theater Square: Water Puppet Theater could be a district in itself but I'm not so sure on this one.

Commercial Hub: We just got a unique one in GS so I'm not expecting another already though if Siam does make a return the Floating Market would make a good district. Other option could be Portugal but I've said my reason above.

Entertainment Complex: Hippodrome for the Byzantines would be interesting but I can also easily see it as an improvement or building.

Industrial Zone: Unless they want to do the Feitoria as a coastal Industrial Zone, but I don't think so.

Aqueduct: Assyria again? Probably not.

Neighborhood: Not expecting another unique neighborhood but it could refer to a Medina Quarter for Berbers/Morocco again.

I'm not sure they would reveal it so soon, though. Ethiopia, Maya, and Gran Colombia have all been fairly heavily requested. They seem to be the hook into the pack, with the rest being more pleasant surprises. Someone said a few pages ago that Genghis and Suleiman would have been enough to sell their respective expansions, and I think Maya, Ethiopia and GC are what NFP is getting for that. The rest of the content might just be a hidden icing on top.

I know probably they won't. That doesn't mean I don't want them to.

 

[TeddyMain]

Holy Site: Since Ethiopia didn't get it I'll throw out Burma as a possibility again. I could see the Byzantines, but I'd rather them not get one as it would be too similar to the Russia Lavra.

I personally see Burma getting a Paya unique improvement. We could see the Heiau as a Holy Site replacement for Hawaii if they go that route.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I personally see Burma getting a Paya unique improvement. We could see the Heiau as a Holy Site replacement for Hawaii if they go that route.

I honestly don't see Hawaii getting in since it's been basically confirmed that the Maori are the "Polynesian" representative of the game by the developers during the first Maori livestream.
I could easily see Burma getting a Kyaung which are the name of thier Buddhist monasteries which contained payas.

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

I know it's rather not popular but would really like to see Venice and The Celts back in "european pack".

 

[TeddyMain]

I honestly don't see Hawaii getting in since it's been basically confirmed that the Maori are the "Polynesian" representative of the game by the developers during the first Maori livestream.
I could easily see Burma getting a Kyaung which are the name of thier Buddhist monasteries which contained payas.

I can see that and I agree to an extent. Unless there's a second Frontier Pass I don't see Hawaii getting in either, but its merely a suggestion.

Also yeah Burma could get a Kyaung. I can see them going either way.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

I'd be inclined to think instead of a 'Middle East' map it might actually be more of a 'Mediterranean' one - i.e. that could fit say both Assyria and the Berbers. Assyria and Portugal might be a stretch though in terms of distance. Assyria and Renaissance Italy? Those are all weird combos outside of map considerations though.

Yeah I was wondering a Mediterranean map, where we could get Byzantium and the Berbers or something like that. Except for the fact that the Europe map already includes Northern Africa and therefore functions as a Mediterranean map.

I agree it would be nice to have a Mediterranean map that doesn't include Europe, but then again I would also like a Europe map that doesn't include Africa. Maybe the solution is to add more than two maps to the game: real Europe map, real Africa map, Mediterranean map, Middle Eastern map. I never understood why we couldn't have a lot of these, especially since certain regions are more dense than others.

Monument: We don't need one. We have the Old God Obelisk.

And Trajan. I think we are good here.

Shrine: I feel like some Civ will get one but I'm not sure who. Vietnam has an interesting history most of their population today still holds on to traditional folk religion so a shrine replacement representing that might not be out of the realm of possibility, however at the same time the Water Puppet Theater sounds like it might work better as an improvement. I'll throw in Burma as a possibility as well.

I would bet a Native American or Polynesian civ would have a nice unique Shrine. outside of that I'm fine with no civ getting this.

Library: I think Babylon or Assyria could get this. Babylon is a science city-state already and it would flow right into it's suzerain ability with it being able to hold a Great Work of Writing Slot. Assyria could easily get it to even as a Leader infrastructure for Ashurbanipal.

Bulgarian literary school granting culture. I'm not giving up on this lol. Especially since it would allow the developers to include a science unique without needing to design a science civ.

Workshop: My preference if we could get a unique workshop could go to Italy. It could grant culture and extra writer, artist, and musician points in addition to the abilites of a regular workshop.

I have given up on Italy after Magnificence Catherine. I have seen a Danish furniture shop suggested here and there.

Granary: Longhouse for Iroquois would work or even a Ceremonial Hogan for the Navajo instead of making it an improvement.

Berbers could get a Ksar or Ghorfa. I really like the aesthetic of a ghorfa personally. Though generally a granary is really difficult to make interesting as a unique.

Lighthouse/Shipyard/Seaport?: After two unique harbor replacements I'm not sure if this will happen. The civs that could have possibly gotten a unique lighthouse has past I think. Portugal could get a shipyard but I expect them to get a Feitoria in the form of an improvement.

I don't think any of these need to have uniques either. Feitoria would work, but it could also work in an industrial zone or commercial hub; I have no idea whether/if/how Portugal's unique might be implemented.

Art Museum/Archaeological Museum: I don't see this one happening unless Italy above could get some sort of third option that could hold both? Though I don't associate Italy with archaeology.

Italy was generally the origin of museums, so it could get a unique Galleria. But again I don't think Italy or a unique museum is happening.

I pretty much agree with all of your assessments of districts. The lavra is basically Byzantine and I would prefer a Paya or something with some Buddhist flavor. The Feitoria should properly be a Commercial Hub or Industrial Zone I think because I want more UDs and it's one of the last good candidates. The Hippodrome could possibly be stretched out into a UD but I think the Water Puppet Theatre is just too small of infrastructure to be more than a UI/UB. None of the buildings for the Harbor make sense and having two UDs is probably enough; by contrast the Entertainment Complex and Water Park would need to both have UDs for the same civ in order to feel on par with Brazil, and I don't think any options exist. Brazil having two seems enough to me. I'd say of all of these I would really like to see a second Theatre Square, but I'm baffled as to what could qualify for that beyond a Piazza/Palazzo, and as I said I have given up on Italy.

 

[Lord Lakely]

My vote for a Burmese UB is the Zayat. It's a traveller's shelter found in most villages. When I designed my Burmese Civ, I made it replace the Granary and had it provide Faith for each pop in the city (which synergized well with Burma's other abilities - agriculture and religious tourism were the two main focuses, similar to Civ 6's Khmer).*

The Vienamese Water Puppet Theatre is an excellent building for them, but it's really hard to visualize correctly. WPT's look like generic buildings on the outside. You'd need to make it an open air amphitheatre replacement, I guess?

The Feitoria can only be a unique district, so an Industrial Zone or Comm Hub, and nothing else. Tile improvement works, but we already have the Hacienda, Outback Station, Mekewap, etc. Setting it apart from those would require copying Civ 5's Portugal which is also the dullest civ Firaxis have ever designed, so no thanks.

Egypt is the civ that should've gotten the unique Lighthouse but the Sphinx is infinely more iconic anyway.

Re: replacements for the Museum. Bulgaria's Chitalishte is a good one for the Archaeological Museum if we can't get a unique Library. I'd vote for the Madrasa if the Timmies/Uzbeks made it in, but Arabia already have this one. Austria's Opera House gets my vote for the Art Museum replacement (with an ability that replaces Great Artists outright with Great Musicians)

*nb: in my vision, each civ has three abilities and three unique components: my burma design also had the Paya on top of the Zayat and the UU.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I have given up on Italy after Magnificence Catherine. I have seen a Danish furniture shop suggested here and there.

If Sweden didn't get the furniture workshop I'm not sure the Danish would.

The Vienamese Water Puppet Theatre is an excellent building for them, but it's really hard to visualize correctly. WPT's look like generic buildings on the outside. You'd need to make it an open air amphitheatre replacement, I guess?

Ideally I think it would make a cool unique improvement on flood plains that could be built when the river floods. Since that requires GS it might not happen could still be built on floodplains though as that's where they originally were built when the rice fields flooded and they couldn't farm.

The Feitoria can only be a unique district, so an Industrial Zone or Comm Hub, and nothing else. Tile improvement works, but we already have the Hacienda, Outback Station, Mekewap, etc. Setting it apart from those would require copying Civ 5's Portugal which is also the dullest civ Firaxis have ever designed, so no thanks.

I mean I could still see it being an improvement built on the coast and get bonuses adjacent to luxuries with both production and gold yields. They were also fortified so it would also make sense if it got fortified strength on top of the bonuses.

 

[Lord Lakely]

Maybe an Encampment that also grants Great Merchant points if adjacent to a resource, and Great Admiral points if adjacent to a coastline. idk, I like the idea of an IZ more, but it would have to be fundamentally different from the Hanse (which is the real issue. The Hansa's "bonus prod from resources" really should have gone to the Feitoria instead)

 

[Zaarin]

If you want a badass middle-eastern woman, I think Queen Mavia of the Tanukhids would be a pretty great candidate. I learned about her through Total War Attila, of all places.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mavia_(queen)

Yes, I'm aware that this is more of a discussion of Assyrian female leaders rather than middle-eastern female leaders as a whole. I just wanted an excuse to inject Mavia into the conversation.

Like I mentioned, the Arabs had quite a few early, powerful warrior queens--I'm just super skeptical we'll ever see a pre-Islamic Arabian leader.

Name brand recognition. Just look at Gilgabro.

I'm not saying I like it. But there is absolutely precedent for the devs to go with Shammalama.

I don't think most Americans could pronounce Shammuramat, let alone tell you who she was. Even going with her mythical counterpart Semiramis would only increase the recognition factor very, very slightly. At least people who were paying attention in history class (or art class) could recognize the names of Ashurbanipal or Sennacherib.

I'm still hoping for Sennacherib to lead Assyria! He's definatly the most intresting and accomplished Assyrian leader in my oppinion; and would be able to have an ability representing Babylon which he conquered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sennacherib

I'm team Tiglath-Pileser III, myself.

All three would be great, but if I could only choose one, it would be the Hittites.

I'd love to see the Hittites, but only after getting one of Assyria or Babylon, preferably Assyria--ideally I'd like to see a more cultural, builder-oriented Assyria. Hittites are just going to be another one-trick Dom civ, and if I'm only getting one more civ from the Ancient Near East that's not what I want.

 

[GenyaArikado]

I dont think Gilgamesh is that higher on the "gp recognition list" than Semiramis (or Ashurbanipal)

 

[Zaarin]

I dont think Gilgamesh is that higher on the "gp recognition list" than Semiramis (or Ashurbanipal)

I think most people who were paying attention in school have at least heard of the Epic of Gilgamesh, even if they have no clue what it's about or who Gilgamesh is. That being said, I think you're right--which is a problem if Shammuramat is supposedly going to get in on "name recognition"--name recognition that I'm not seeing any evidence that she has.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

I don't think most Americans could pronounce Shammuramat, let alone tell you who she was. Even going with her mythical counterpart Semiramis would only increase the recognition factor very, very slightly. At least people who were paying attention in history class (or art class) could recognize the names of Ashurbanipal or Sennacherib.

I dont think Gilgamesh is that higher on the "gp recognition list" than Semiramis (or Ashurbanipal)

I think most people who were paying attention in school have at least heard of the Epic of Gilgamesh, even if they have no clue what it's about or who Gilgamesh is. That being said, I think you're right--which is a problem if Shammuramat is supposedly going to get in on "name recognition"--name recognition that I'm not seeing any evidence that she has.

Nobody was ever called "The Ashurbanipal of the North" as far as I'm aware. Semiramis is far more likely to pop up in older European mythification, which in my book makes her more recognizable and likely to be encountered by casual history nerds.

 

[Zaarin]

Nobody was ever called "The Ashurbanipal of the North" as far as I'm aware. Semiramis is far more likely to pop up in older European mythification, which in my book makes her more recognizable and likely to be encountered by casual history nerds.

Anyone who has read the Bible, attended Sunday school, or visited an art museum has heard of Ashurbanipal and Sennacherib. "Sennacherib at the gates of Jerusalem," in particular, was a very popular subject for Renaissance paintings. Semiramis, on the other hand, I never heard of until I was an adult. Then there's the complication that Semiramis is not Shammuramat (at least not exactly), and Shammuramat is roughly the equivalent of choosing Anthemius to lead Rome. She shouldn't even be on the list for consideration IMO.

 

[bite]

I am surprised everyone is going full on Assyria when the weight of history is on Babylon's side.

I mean the could do both .... I think I just got very scared for how I would add that to the map