[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[SMcM]

I wasn't trying to be rude, and I'm sorry if you took it that way. What I meant to suggest was that your personal interest in Italy was making you discount how distinct Phoenician and Maya city-states were--which, again, is every bit as much as Italy or Greece. Yes, popular history may be more familiar with European city-states--that's just the nature of popular history--but that doesn't change the fact that the Phoenician and Maya city-states were very distinct and the information is available to anyone who decides to seek it out. Also, I'd suspect that your average armchair historian is much more prepared to explain what made Athens and Sparta distinct versus Florence and Venice, yet we still only have one Greek civ.

I've read as much about Mayan city states as Italian ones probably. It's not down to any personal interest in history- as you concede, popular history is more familiar with these city states, that's my entire point. As for Greece, it's just an awkward civilization I think, especially with Gorgo representing the Spartans which I don't rate as a choice at all. I think an ancient Greece focused on Athens with Pericles as leader would be fine, thematically it works I think given the Delian league was very influential and Athens is the most populous and famous Greek city and at the heart of modern Greece. There isn't really an equivalent of Athens for Italy, I don't think any of the city states make for natural leaders of a united Italian civilization.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

The "cultured militarist" angle was taken by Alexander's Macedon for Civ 6, what with the civ ability of getting Eurekas and Inspirations from conquered cities in a manner reminiscent of Civ 5's Assyria. If they add Assyria again in VI, they will have to go a different route.

I can still see them taking the culture and scientist/militarist route but I agree that the ability doesn't have to be a copy and paste from Civ 5, which would be too similar to Macedon right now.

 

[reddishrecue]

i’d hope the leader is sennacherib and is focused on wonder-building, personally

Really? I was thinking Tiglat Pileser but he expanded too much and focused less on making Nineveh a more beautiful place.

 

[Zaarin]

Really? I was thinking Tiglat Pileser but he expanded too much and focused less on making Nineveh a more beautiful place.

I think either Sennacherib or Tiglath-Pileser III would be good wonder-building Assyrian leaders, while Ashurbanipal could go either wonder-builder (he did probably build the Hanging Gardens of Nineveh) or, more stereotypically, great work obsessed. Oh, man. Now I want Ashurbanipal using Kristina's animations, looking up from his clay tablets to stare at you judgmentally.

 

[8housesofelixir]

I think either Sennacherib or Tiglath-Pileser III would be good wonder-building Assyrian leaders, while Ashurbanipal could go either wonder-builder (he did probably build the Hanging Gardens of Nineveh) or, more stereotypically, great work obsessed. Oh, man. Now I want Ashurbanipal using Kristina's animations, looking up from his clay tablets to stare at you judgmentally.

Unique building "Library of Ashurbanipal", directly attached to the Palace (so Ashurbanipal can begin to collect Great Writings as early as in the Ancient Era).

Considering Queen's Bibliotheque already hold a similar position in the game, maybe Ashurbanipal's library can focus more on Great Work of Writings and give a unique bonus to them. Currently Great Writings are not that strong.

 

[Zaarin]

Unique building "Library of Ashurbanipal", directly attached to the Palace (so Ashurbanipal can begin to collect Great Writings as early as in the Ancient Era).

Considering Queen's Bibliotheque already hold a similar position in the game, maybe Ashurbanipal's library can focus more on Great Work of Writings and give a unique bonus to them. Currently Great Writings are not that strong.

Yeah, I'd see Ashurbanipal getting bonus Science, Culture, and Faith from Great Works of Writing as well as having extra slots for them.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

I think either Sennacherib or Tiglath-Pileser III would be good wonder-building Assyrian leaders, while Ashurbanipal could go either wonder-builder (he did probably build the Hanging Gardens of Nineveh) or, more stereotypically, great work obsessed. Oh, man. Now I want Ashurbanipal using Kristina's animations, looking up from his clay tablets to stare at you judgmentally.

if i recall correctly i think it was Sennacherib, not Ashurbanipal, who actually built the hanging gardens, although if they gave Ashurbanipal something like Matthias’s body with Kristina’s animations that would be best if we get him, as a wonder-obsessed sciencemonger. Tiglath-Pileser could be partially wonder oriented but ultimately i feel as if his accomplishments are largely military, so I’d prefer Ashurbanipal or Sennacherib

 

[PhoenicianGold]

PRINCIPALITY OF MONACO
Leader: Francesco Grimaldi
LUA: Il Malizia: Religious units can expend charges to break city fortifications or remove Forts.
CUA: Micronation: Can only found or control one city, but that city can work an extra ring of tiles, gains +5 Gold on its starting tile, and can build two extra districts beyond what the population allows.
UI: Monte Carlo Casino: Replaces the Bank, generates +2 Amenities and Tourism equal to its gold generation, doubles your treasury when you enter a Golden or Heroic age, halves your treasury when you enter a Normal Age, and bankrupts you when you enter a Dark Age.
UU: Um......race horse, maybe?

Alternate leader: Grace Kelly

LUA: Looking sad.

 

[bbbt]

So we're expecting 3 females leaders - Lady Six Sky is already one, Trung Trac is basically a shoe-in with the Vietnam leak.

It seems like Theodora returning to lead Byzantium is what folks expect as the most likely 3rd. But what about Irene of Athens? Who is already in the game as a great merchant (so we know she's on the dev's list)? Theodora has the cache of being returning (and a bit of a fan favorite in 5 from her portrayal), but that certainly save Elisabeth from being booted for Victoria.

 

[Zaarin]

It seems like Theodora returning to lead Byzantium is what folks expect as the most likely 3rd. But what about Irene of Athens?

I mentioned earlier in the thread that I hoped they'd make at least a nominal replacement of Theodora with Irene if Byzantium must be led by a female leader, but I'm not counting on it.

 

[LoneRebel]

I mentioned earlier in the thread that I hoped they'd make at least a nominal replacement of Theodora with Irene if Byzantium must be led by a female leader, but I'm not counting on it.

Yeah. Irene is a Great Merchant, so if she were the leader they'd have to replace her Great Merchant slot with someone else.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

So we're expecting 3 females leaders - Lady Six Sky is already one, Trung Trac is basically a shoe-in with the Vietnam leak.

It seems like Theodora returning to lead Byzantium is what folks expect as the most likely 3rd. But what about Irene of Athens? Who is already in the game as a great merchant (so we know she's on the dev's list)? Theodora has the cache of being returning (and a bit of a fan favorite in 5 from her portrayal), but that certainly save Elisabeth from being booted for Victoria.

I'm kind of expecting Theodora with Cleopatra animations considering she was already the "Cleopatra" of Civ 5.

 

[Zaarin]

Yeah. Irene is a Great Merchant, so if she were the leader they'd have to replace her Great Merchant slot with someone else.

They could replace her with Theodora.

 

[8housesofelixir]

Yeah. Irene is a Great Merchant, so if she were the leader they'd have to replace her Great Merchant slot with someone else.

Bolívar was in the list of Great Generals before NFP, now we have Gran Colombia and his position is being replaced by José de San Martín. Which is a clever replacement choice.

For Irene of Athens, I don't know, I never think she is a "Great Merchant" in the first place.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

So we're expecting 3 females leaders - Lady Six Sky is already one, Trung Trac is basically a shoe-in with the Vietnam leak.

It seems like Theodora returning to lead Byzantium is what folks expect as the most likely 3rd. But what about Irene of Athens? Who is already in the game as a great merchant (so we know she's on the dev's list)? Theodora has the cache of being returning (and a bit of a fan favorite in 5 from her portrayal), but that certainly save Elisabeth from being booted for Victoria.

If we get a separate Byzantium civ, I am actually expecting Irene, for several reasons:

1) She's different from Theodora.
2) She would focus on a less religious, trade-oriented angle, making Byzantium feel different from both V's iteration and VI's Georgia/Russia.
3) She would come from a period more distinct from early "Roman" Byzantium, better justifying the split this time around.
4) She was actually empress regent for a time, so if there were any criticisms of Theodora not being a sole sovereign, they are avoided.

 

[8housesofelixir]

2) She would focus on a less religious, trade-oriented angle, making Byzantium feel different from both V's iteration and VI's Georgia/Russia.

But wasn't she brought the first iconoclasm movement to a halt? Although the power of the Eastern church was already been weakened at that time.

 

[Zaarin]

But wasn't she brought the first iconoclasm movement to a halt?

She was very nearly sainted for it.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

But wasn't she brought the first iconoclasm movement to a halt? Although the power of the Eastern church was already been weakened at that time.

More and less as compared to Theodora. I would still expect a religious angle.

 

[Jeppetto]

I think either Sennacherib or Tiglath-Pileser III would be good wonder-building Assyrian leaders, while Ashurbanipal could go either wonder-builder (he did probably build the Hanging Gardens of Nineveh) or, more stereotypically, great work obsessed. Oh, man. Now I want Ashurbanipal using Kristina's animations, looking up from his clay tablets to stare at you judgmentally.

Including the angry lick finger and flip page animation? I'd buy the whole Pass again just to see that one on clay tablets.

 

[bbbt]

But wasn't she brought the first iconoclasm movement to a halt? Although the power of the Eastern church was already been weakened at that time.

Yeah I could see them going with a religious art angle with her (faith from religious art, increased tourism from religious art) or a trade angle (something luxury and tradertrade related from her original merchant abilities).