[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[PhoenicianGold]

That's unlikely.

Actually, it's reasonably likely if NFP is the last content we ever receive. We have six regions left unfilled from V (Byzantium, Portugal, Assyria, Maghreb, Italy, Western America), and only four unknown slots left. Even if you consider Italy a lost cause after Venice, one of those would have to be cut for the game to wrap up this year.

It could definitely happen, and the biggest reason I could see another Native American civ not happening is because it would likely be sold in a one or two civ DLC pack, which casts that particular tribe in a far more commercial light than many might be comfortable with.

I’d rather them keep the tribes separate and not blobbed them together, like the Navajo not having an Apache unique unit. Sure they were related but they also warred against each other too.
They’ve done a relatively good job so far in that regard on UUs for the most part.

Oh yeah I didn't mean an Apachean blob...just something Apachean, either the Apache or the Navajo. Although if it means just getting them in the game, I would probably accept an Apachean blob since we already had the Shoshone-Comanche blob.

 

[Xandinho]

Looking at all these native NA civ posts above It will be funny if we won't get any at all

Almost 100% sure that a native NA civ will happen, we just don't know which one, probably something from the southwestern United States.

Iroquois is also likely if Firaxis wants to go to safer land.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Oh yeah I didn't mean an Apachean blob...just something Apachean, either the Apache or the Navajo. Although if it means just getting them in the game, I would probably accept an Apachean blob since we already had the Shoshone-Comanche blob.

Okay. As much as I would like the Navajo, the Apache would still be in that horse raider trope I'd like to avoid, so in that instance I would rather do the Iroquois again personally or something from the PNW, like the Tlingit.

 

[Zaarin]

Actually, it's reasonably likely if NFP is the last content we ever receive. We have six regions left unfilled from V (Byzantium, Portugal, Assyria, Maghreb, Italy, Western America), and only four unknown slots left. Even if you consider Italy a lost cause after Venice, one of those would have to be cut for the game to wrap up this year.

It could definitely happen, and the biggest reason I could see another Native American civ not happening is because it would likely be sold in a one or two civ DLC pack, which casts that particular tribe in a far more commercial light than many might be comfortable with.

To be honest, the only way I can see another Native American civ not happening is if we get another round of content (to which it could be deferred). Italy isn't happening in NFP, and I consider a Native American civ considerably more likely than Berbers/Morocco.

Almost 100% sure that a native NA civ will happen, we just don't know which one, probably something from the southwestern United States.

Iroquois is also likely if Firaxis wants to go to safer land.

I agree with this, and I actually think a returning Iroquois is reasonably likely simply because they are a safe choice--and safe choices are good for DLC.

 

[Morningcalm]

I’ll all in favor of the introduction of a new leader (say Jigonhsasee), and the Hausenosaunee making a refurbished return to Civ.

 

[Birch617]

Yeah i hope if the haudenosaunee comeback they aren't named iroquois (same goes for the Amazigh if they make it into the game)

 

[Zaarin]

I’ll all in favor of the introduction of a new leader (say Jigonhsasee), and the Hausenosaunee making a refurbished return to Civ.

I'd like a new leader, too, but moving in the other direction: Joseph Brant, Red Jacket, Cornplanter...

Yeah i hope if the haudenosaunee comeback they aren't named iroquois (same goes for the Amazigh if they make it into the game)

I'm fine with either name. Haudenosaunee is more correct, but "Iroquois" is well entrenched in the literature, just like "Indian." I'm more concerned that the design is more appropriate this time.

 

[onepurpose]

We already got two american civs and one African civ...

I can't understand why everybody is convinced there's gonna be another ones...

morocco ? berber? really?

cherokee? apache? ... another cavalry rifle raider? we already got Lautaro

and why this stupid complaining about "blob" civs?... every major civ is already a blob...we got a german medieval leader with a submarine UU... samurais + electronic factories in japan... the spanish city list includes Oran and Havana ... isn't a "blob"?

is a videogame.. is based on stereotipes.. is about DISTINCTIVE and RECOGNIZABLE cultures.. why not a "generic" native american civ or a celt civ? Is far better than some obscure niche civ

If you are looking for somewhat historical accuracy... try EU or CK.. not civilization ..

 

[Thenewwwguy]

And I was always surprised that the devs were even considering the Haida when the Salish or even the Tlingit have far more people and territorial claims.

Haida historically and in modern times are more powerful and important. Besides Canada itself pledging allegiance to the crown, the Haida Kingdom is semi-autonomous and considered a Kingdom within Canada. They were also far more powerful and relevant in PNW history so it makes sense for them to be considered first. I’d then suggest the Coast Salish for geographical impact and Tlingit for historical impact if the Haida aren’t possible, followed by the Chinook.

Chief Seattle of the Salish would be cool but I think he might feel a bit too much like Poundmaker in terms of personality.

Perhaps. If we get one NA civ, I hope it’s a leader who was more violently opposed to colonization, like Manuelito of the Navajo, or Tecumseh of the Shawnee

culturally, i’m most interested in the Navajo and the PNW groups, so I hope it’s one of them

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I'm fine with either name. Haudenosaunee is more correct, but "Iroquois" is well entrenched in the literature, just like "Indian." I'm more concerned that the design is more appropriate this time.

I could see the name Haudenosaunee being the name of the civ ability honestly.

is a videogame.. is based on stereotipes.. is about DISTINCTIVE and RECOGNIZABLE cultures.. why not a viking civ or celt civ? Is far better than some obscure niche civ

Well we already have those. They are called Norway and Scotland.

Civ 5 had two Native American tribes. When I say Native American I mean an indigenous group of people north of Mexico/Mesoamerica. Right now we only have the Cree.

Also North Africa is considered different from Sub-Sahara Africa and Ethiopia, so it could still be a possibility paired with a Middle East civ or even Portugal.

 

[Zaarin]

If we get one NA civ, I hope it’s a leader who was more violently opposed to colonization

If we get the Iroquois, I would hope they were portrayed as being much more warlike than they were in Civ5. They were the terror of everyone east of the Mississippi (and sometimes to the west of it, too). Granted, they weren't really aggressive towards the colonists (except the French, who allied with their enemies) so much as other Natives.

Tecumseh of the Shawnee

Shawnee are too close to the Cree for my tastes. A Shawnee civ would either look like the Cree with an aggressive leader or else be another Gilgamesh civ.

I could see the name Haudenosaunee being the name of the civ ability honestly.

I don't see it from Firaxis.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I don't see it from Firaxis.

Well they did it for the Cree. Nîhithaw is the name of Woodland Cree in their language.

 

[Codeword Iroquois]

I'd like a new leader, too, but moving in the other direction: Joseph Brant, Red Jacket, Cornplanter...

Or Deganawidah. Somehow everyone forgets about him.
(Wait, no, same direction as before)

 

[onepurpose]

I could see the name Haudenosaunee being the name of the civ ability honestly.


Well we already have those. They are called Norway and Scotland.

Civ 5 had two Native American tribes. When I say Native American I mean an indigenous group of people north of Mexico/Mesoamerica. Right now we only have the Cree.

Also North Africa is considered different from Sub-Sahara Africa and Ethiopia, so it could still be a possibility paired with a Middle East civ or even Portugal.

I buy Norway .. but scotland? really ? golf courses and great engineers? you must be kidding

and why Norway as viking? ..

I can't understand the devs obsession to attach historical civs / cultures to contemporary modern states

 

[Zaarin]

Well they did it for the Cree. Nîhithaw is the name of Woodland Cree in their language.

But they didn't call the tribe "Nehinaw." Even more to the point we have "Indonesia" instead of "Majapahit." Firaxis will use the most popular/accessible name, like they usually do.

Or Deganawidah. Somehow everyone forgets about him.
(Wait, no, same direction as before)

My point was that I don't want Hiawatha/Jigonhsasee/Deganawidah but a historically attested leader like Joseph Brant, Cornplanter, or Red Jacket.

I buy Norway .. but scotland? really ? golf courses and great engineers? you must be kidding

and why Norway as viking? ..

I can't understand the devs obsession to attach historical civs / cultures to contemporary modern states

Yeah, the Early Middle Ages is so modern. How dare they.

 

[8housesofelixir]

If you are looking for somewhat historical accuracy... try EU or CK.. not civilization ..

It seems very interesting to me that, to my knowledge, people in this particular thread is more tolerant about having vampires, ley lines, or El Dorado being in the game than a lot of others on this forum. I would suggest telling those people who are trying very hard to mod the vampires out of their "historical civilization game" about "try EU or CK for historical accuracy".

 

[onepurpose]

It seems very interesting to me that, to my knowledge, people in this particular thread is more tolerant about having vampires, ley lines, or El Dorado being in the game than a lot of others on this forum. I would suggest telling those people who are trying very hard to mod the vampires out of their "historical civilization game" about "try EU or CK for historical accuracy".

For "historical accuracy" I mean about mechanics and general framework

vampires, chtulu, soothsayers, etc... shouldn't be in this game... well ,, maybe a mod, but not the Devs wasting time and resources in things like that

 

[Thenewwwguy]

and why Norway as viking? ..

I can't understand the devs obsession to attach historical civs / cultures to contemporary modern states

because ‘viking’ and ‘celt’ would be objectively incorrect names for civs considering they’re mainly based in myth and popular culture rather than history

Additionally, Norway was chosen for the ‘viking’ civ because Harald Hardrade was the last great viking king

and Scotland isn’t just a modern country lol, it was a country back in the early middle ages too, hence its choice. Scotland is also one of the major celtic group (Irish, Briton, Cornish, Manx and Welsh would be the other ones), hence its choice as the Celtic civ of choice, even if the design itself isn’t particularly celtic

 

[Zaarin]

Scotland is also one of the major celtic group (Irish, Briton, Cornish, Manx and Welsh would be the other ones)

The Continental Celts always get forgotten.

hence its choice as the Celtic civ of choice, even if the design itself isn’t particularly celtic

I like to think of it as the Norman civ. Middle English is more correct, but I kind of wish Robert the Bruce were speaking Norman.

 

[8housesofelixir]

For "historical accuracy" I mean about mechanics and general framework

The mechanics and general framework of Civ 6 are already sincerely ahistorical. But I personally don't mind because it is a game, not a historical simulator.

I will ridicule about, for example, Russia's great people printing machine, but when I am playing Russia I can say I am having a lot of fun, because IMHO a "historical" game doesn't exist.

vampires, chtulu, soothsayers, etc... shouldn't be in this game... well ,, maybe a mod, but not the Devs wasting time and resources in things like that

Therefore, for the reason above, I also sincerely don't understand why people are feel very uncomfortable about vampires and old gods. I accept that it is a game, and what we are arguing in this thread is more of "it would be better if the devs did that" rather than "the devs should do that or it is wasting time and money" or even "this game is going into a wrong direction".

I don't want to be personal here, but if you are arguing that "this is a videogame", "the game is based on stereotypes", "if want historical accuracy playing EU or CK", then why would you bother about vampires?