[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[The Kingmaker]

So one of Assyria/Babylon or Portugal or NA Civ won't make it, then some people will interpret it as meaning there's a second Season Pack coming, but then the second season pack never comes. *nervous cries*

Rather than expecting a Final Frontier (season 2), people should lobby for it. Hard. If you really want it, let FXS know.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Because until Gaul was announced, Scotland was essentially assumed to be "the Celtic civ," when it's not in fact Celtic. There are (and were) Celtic Scots, e.g. the Gaels, but the civ design actually mirrors history in that the Gaels were politically and culturally marginalized. Indeed, you can find plenty of texts that show that the English (including the Anglo-Scots) regarded the Gaels (and Irish) in more or less the same terms they'd later use for Native Americans, including "savages."

Now I'm going to expect Ireland and the Iceni for Civ 7.

I think Basilica could be confusing with Alexander's building, especially If both have military flavour due to the war and religion focus of Byzantium. Not that it would make it out of question, the terms are still pretty different, just a possibility.

Not to mention that we already have an Eastern Orthodox religious district with basically a basilica in it.
Hippodrome seems likely especially if they want to focus them on conquest and the recent patch was geared towards amenities.

 

[SirMediocrity]

Rather than expecting a Final Frontier (season 2), people should lobby for it. Hard. If you really want it, let FXS know.

The best thing we can do is vote with our wallet, our review, and our praise.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

The best thing we can do is vote with our wallet, our review, and our praise.

Lol. Voting with my wallet hasn't paid off yet. I haven't gotten a single civ in NFP that I was gunning for. And on top of that I got El Dorado, the Fountain of Youth, soothsayers, the Illuminati, Cthulu, vampires, and two world wonders that I absolutely did not care about. Yippee.

I'm trying to have fun with what we are getting (Gauls look...interesting), and I had every reason to expect we would get 2-3 European civs in NFP, but holy shirtballs if they could go through the effort of developing France and Greece 4.0, they could at least give us more African and Asian civs beyond Vietnam. Age of Empires II this is not.

(The more depressing thing about this is that, even if we do get a second season pass, they will probably waste another 2-3 slots on European civs. Which, although I hope this means they will stop at Portugal, Italy, and Bulgaria, could easily result in us getting Germany 3.0 with Prussia/Austria or Russia 2.0 with Kievan Rus', or Norway 2.0 with Denmark. Ugh.)

 

[riddleofsteel]

Lol. Voting with my wallet hasn't paid off yet. I haven't gotten a single civ in NFP that I was gunning for. And on top of that I got El Dorado, the Fountain of Youth, soothsayers, the Illuminati, Cthulu, vampires, and two world wonders that I absolutely did not care about. Yippee.

I'm trying to have fun with what we are getting (Gauls look...interesting), and I had every reason to expect we would get 2-3 European civs in NFP, but holy shirtballs if they could go through the effort of developing France and Greece 4.0, they could at least give us more African and Asian civs beyond Vietnam. Age of Empires II this is not.

I completely agree with you on this. NFP feels like cutting room floor fan content so far. Not that there aren't some of the best modders in the world for Civ, but still.

 

[SMcM]

So one of Assyria/Babylon or Portugal or NA Civ won't make it, then some people will interpret it as meaning there's a second Season Pack coming, but then the second season pack never comes. *nervous cries*

The only thing I'd put money on is there will be a NA civilization. There being another Mesopotamian civ might make sense, but it's an assumption. And I would almost rule out Portugal at this point (even though I was previously sure it would be in). I think the inclusion of Gaul is a clear reminder of the fact that with Civ VI Firaxis will often make choices that completely take people by surprise.

And some of the popular civs people have been speculating about being included in a future content pass seems very possible, though I would say that is entirely dependent on what New Frontier DLC sales are like- which we can only guess on.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Wait, what is Byzantium's UD?

I suspect this is to do two things:

1) Fix the disparity created by Phoenicia and Maya, where we now have two civs with the same UD replacement. So we could reasonably expect to see a second unique CH, TS, and/or HS.

2) Make even weirder civ designs by having "hybrid" unique districts (which was vaguely touched on by the Lavra). If this IZ functions kind of like a second encampment, we could expect to see other examples like maybe Portugal's feitoria being a unique CH that functions like an IZ, or Burma's Paya being a HS that functions like a CH. I think this was a natural evolution of districts and think the devs took too long to get to this point lol.

hybrid districts would be too cool, and gaul’s extra shot industrial zone seems to start to tackle this

 

[PhoenicianGold]

So, my disappointment aside, this pack does give me some small amount of hope for two civs in particular if we get more content after NFP:

* The Goths - Now that we have a "barb" civ, the Goths are probably on the table. And now that we have Byzantium split off from Rome again, we can now look at other large Roman-esque territories/polities that overlap with other civs. The Goths are the most popular civ mod for V, and the devs clearly love Germanic civs as much as they do Greek, Roman, French, and British civs. I could see the Goths happening. Also, the lack of Theodora helps prevent confusion with Theoderic.

* The Berbers - part of what made the Gauls an unlikely choice for me was their general lack of political/architectural infrastructure facilitating mechanical design. Just some mining/forging bonuses didn't seem like enough to manufacture an entire civ around. But we can now see that the devs are willing to push civ design a lot to accommodate less advanced civs like the Gauls, like turning their IZ into a quasi-encampment. This gives me hope that for a civ like the Berbers which really struggles to find non-Muslim infrastructure, we could maybe push them in a similar direction. Like say, an encampment that doubles as a neighborhood or commercial hub.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

The only thing I'd put money on is there will be a NA civilization. There being another Mesopotamian civ might make sense, but it's an assumption. And I would almost rule out Portugal at this point (even though I was previously sure it would be in). I think the inclusion of Gaul is a clear reminder of the fact that with Civ VI Firaxis will often make choices that completely take people by surprise.

At this point make pack 4 a Berber civ with Pack 6 the Inuit (well maybe not that but something out there and unexpected).
That way we can get Portugal+Italy, Assyria+Babylon, Iroquois+Navajo, and pick any 2 Sub-Saharan African civs for season 2.

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

As we have only three Civs to go and my last guess was a total failure I try to correct myself.
Clues:
1. We have a pattern 4 new Civs 4 returning ones
2. We have a geographical pattern of DLC
3. We have a Venice City State (let's assume it is a replacement of the new Civilization - can be just a new CS as well)
4. We have Central/South America, Africa, and Europe already covered.
5. We have a leak of Kublai Khan and Vietnam (let's assume it is the thing)

This makes only two spots. One for a new one and one for returning one SA, EU, Africa, and Asia are covered.

One spot takes existing trade CS.
Hunza is out with South America, Lisbon is out with Europe, Zanzibar is out with Africa, Bandar Brunei is out with Asia. We left with: Antioch (Middle East), Cahokia (NA), Muscat (Middle East). The strongest contender here is Cahokia with The Mississippians

This means there is only one left spot for a returning Civ outside the Americas, Eastern Asia, Africa, and Europa. We are left with Assyria, Babylon, and Hittites.

So the final list of NFP Civs is The Maya, Gran Colombia, Ethiopia, Gauls, Byzantium, Vietnam, Mississippians, and Babylon/Assyria. (if Venice CS is a replacement and Vietnam leak is true)
EDIT: possible variant B: The Maya, Gran Colombia, Ethiopia, Gauls, Byzantium, Vietnam, Iroquis,Oman, and Babylon/Assyria.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

As we have only three Civs to go and my last guess was a total failure I try to correct myself.
Clues:
1. We have a pattern 4 new Civs 4 returning ones
2. We have a geographical pattern of DLC
3. We have a Venice City State (let's assume it is a replacement of the new Civilization - can be just a new CS as well)
4. We have Central/South America, Africa, and Europe already covered.
5. We have a leak of Kubai Khan and Vietnam (let's assume it is the thing)

This makes only two spots. One for a new one and one for returning one SA, EU, Africa, and Asia are covered.

One spot takes existing trade CS.
Hunza is out with South America, Lisbon is out with Europe, Zanzibar is out with Africa, Bandar Brunei is out with Asia. We left with: Antioch (Middle East), Cahokia (NA), Muscat (Middle East). The strongest contender here is Cahokia with The Mississippians

This means there is only one left spot for a returning Civ outside the Americas, Eastern Asia, Africa and Europa. We are left with Assyria, Babylon, and Hittites.

So the final list of NFP Civs is: The Maya, Gran Colombia, Etiopia, Gauls, Byzantium, Vietnam, Mississippians and Babylon/Assyria. (if Venice CS is a replacement and Vietnam leak is true)

Uh, I don't think Cahokia will ever be replaced. Also it seems pretty likely that Antioch was the CS that was replaced because of the addition of Byzantium.

(Which is yet another reason why I have hope that we may still see a Berber/Morocco civ.)

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Uh, I don't think Cahokia will ever be replaced. Also it seems pretty likely that Antioch was the CS that was replaced because of the addition of Byzantium.

I was quite prepared to see how they would implement the Cahokia mounds of Venice.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

One spot takes existing trade CS.
Hunza is out with South America, Lisbon is out with Europe, Zanzibar is out with Africa, Bandar Brunei is out with Asia. We left with: Antioch (Middle East), Cahokia (NA), Muscat (Middle East). The strongest contender here is Cahokia with The Mississippians

Errr...no, the mississippians probably will struggle with language choice. Also, Venice is coming in the next pack as a replacement, so it’s obviously replacing antioch.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Errr...no, the mississippians probably will struggle with language choice. Also, Venice is coming in the next pack as a replacement, so it’s obviously replacing antioch.

Do we know that 100%? I didn't see any Byzantine cities in the video.

 

[Lord Lakely]

Do we know that 100%? I didn't see any Byzantine cities in the video.

No. But I think it's a reasonable assumption.

 

[Codeword Iroquois]

At this point make pack 4 a Berber civ with Pack 6 the Inuit (well maybe not that but something out there and unexpected).
That way we can get Portugal+Italy, Assyria+Babylon, Iroquois+Navajo, and pick any 2 Sub-Saharan African civs for season 2.

Um... Swahili and ... Ashanti, Please.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

At this point make pack 4 a Berber civ with Pack 6 the Inuit (well maybe not that but something out there and unexpected).
That way we can get Portugal+Italy, Assyria+Babylon, Iroquois+Navajo, and pick any 2 Sub-Saharan African civs for season 2.

Oh please yes, let's just ignore Asia again!

Though at this point, I should probably expect that the most "Asia" we will see is an Assyria + Babylon pack.

 

[Xandinho]

Analyzing the historical pattern of inclusion of civs in each expansion, we can see that there were 4 returned civs mixed with 4 never seen before:

R&F
Returned: Korea, Netherlands, Mongolia and Zulu.
New: Cree, Mapuche, Scotland and Georgia.

GS
Returned: Ottomans, Incas, Mali and Sweden.
New: Phoenicia, Maori, Canada and Hungary.

If the pattern remains in NFP, we can have something similar:

Returned: Maya, Ethiopia, Byzantine, ???? (presumably Assyria).
New: Gran Colombia, Gauls, ???? (Vietnam), ???? (something new from North America, maybe Navajo or Apache).

This sets precedents for thinking about a second round of passes with the similar pattern:

Returned: Portugal, Babylon, Iroquois and Morocco.
New: ???? (Italian representation, maybe Tuscany or a civ called Italy), ???? (a civilization of
Sub-Saharan Africa, some popular demand like Madagascar, Ashanti or Benin), ???? (a South American one), ???? (wild card, can be from anywhere, maybe from Eastern Europe or even Oceania).

Anyway, depending on how Firaxis does things, there may be big names and enough spaces for a round of passes.

 

[Zaarin]

wild card, can be from anywhere, maybe from Eastern Europe

Don't encourage my dream of Bohemia.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

If the pattern remains in NFP, we can have something similar:

Returned: Maya, Ethiopia, Byzantine, ???? (presumably Assyria).
New: Gran Colombia, Gauls, ???? (Vietnam), ???? (something new from North America, maybe Navajo or Apache).

I'm still very dubious we will get any North American civ as solely a DLC pack. Maybe the Iroquois, but I don't know if many/any other NA tribes would be okay as the sole focus of a DLC pack. It just smacks of exploitation in a way that expansion packs mostly mitigated by creating context and plausible deniability that the content wasn't primarily capitalizing on any particular tribe.

This sets precedents for thinking about a second round of passes with the similar pattern:

Returned: Portugal, Babylon, Iroquois and Morocco.
New: ???? (Italian representation, maybe Tuscany or a civ called Italy), ???? (a civilization of
Sub-Saharan Africa, some popular demand like Madagascar, Ashanti or Benin), ???? (a South American one), ???? (wild card, can be from anywhere, maybe from Eastern Europe or even Oceania).

Anyway, depending on how Firaxis does things, there may be big names and enough spaces for a round of passes.

I still do not see Sumeria and Assyria and Babylon being in the same game. Pretty sure Sumeria took the place of Babylon this time. Also, I think South America is done; if we get two civs from the Americas, I would bet that they both will be in North America, with a slight possibility that one of them is in the Caribbean.