[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Zaarin]

New Frontiers has put the game in a really good place

Has it, though?

 

[sonicmyst]

I feel that post-NFP there are still many things that need to be fixed, and I see that while they are doing that they will release a few DLC packs that include much requested civs or leaders that were not included in NFP.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Has it, though?

Overall I've been satisfied.

I haven't been a fan of all the game modes but Secret Societies, Heroes and Legends, and especially the new Monopolies and Corporation from what it looks like, makes the game more interesting to me.

I've also been happy with all of the civs released so far, maybe not necessarily the designs of them, but most of them were on my wish list.

All the extra content such as city-states, wonders, new districts and buildings are good too.

 

[sweetbrown89]

In that case we have our second Native Americans in North America with Cahokia too.


Italy and Portugal Pack
Berber/Morocco and Egypt Alt Leader Pack

These would make people happy.
Even if they did a Final Frontier Pass I wouldn't expect it to be as big as the current one but these could at least work.

Actually, I have a City-State Chart and Cahokia is a separate staple

I’m just looking at which Civs are possibly going to Ascend in Civ VII and which may be established City-States

I left out a lot of Asian ones all over Central Asia and Indomalaya because, well...that’s a lot of places to parse through so I stuck with Western context for realistic selection

 

[Zaarin]

I've also been happy with all of the civs released so far, maybe not necessarily the designs of them, but most of them were on my wish list.

I've been reasonably satisfied with which civs they've chosen, except Gran Colombia, but I've thought virtually all of the designs have been poorly thought out and poorly implemented, to say nothing of the subpar art assets. Overall, NFP has completely sapped my interest from a game I was very enthusiastic about six months ago.

 

[AntSou]

Regardless of what the last Civ is, I think you can wrap a fluffy pink bow around Civilization 6 once this patch has fully unlocked. The devs consider it "finished" and I doubt they'll keep adding more content a la EU4 and AoE2.

Where did you take the bit "the devs consider it finished" from? Have they officially said that they're done and April's patch is the final one?

The game might be finished in terms of mechanics and systems, but it doesn't seem particularly outlandish for a small team to add a handful more leaders to the game.

Even Amplitude got a team to deliver an expansion for Endless Legend last year, five years after the release of the game.

Having some people working on a few more Civs, alt leaders or persona packs for some extra income doesn't seem that extravagant to me. These can then be released at fair intervals (e.g. 3 months) before the release of their new title.

So I'll consider it finished when they make that clear.

People were also pretty adamant that DLC packs were certainly not happening and we'd get either a 3rd expansion or nothing at all.
Only when STK got revealed did speculation of a season pass really take hold.

to say nothing of the subpar art assets.

That bad? The only thing that seems subpar to me are Kublai(Mongolia), Teddy Rough Rider and the Ley Line and Honey icons.

 

[8housesofelixir]

I feel that post-NFP there are still many things that need to be fixed, and I see that while they are doing that they will release a few DLC packs that include much requested civs or leaders that were not included in NFP.

IIRC one of the devs implied that there will be an update after the NFP. Although it will more likely be a bug fix update.

 

[AntSou]

IIRC one of the devs implied that there will be an update after the NFP. Although it will more likely be a bug fix update.

I think Andrew confirmed the tweet implying an April update is true.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Actually, I have a City-State Chart and Cahokia is a separate staple

I’m just looking at which Civs are possibly going to Ascend in Civ VII and which may be established City-States

I left out a lot of Asian ones all over Central Asia and Indomalaya because, well...that’s a lot of places to parse through so I stuck with Western context for realistic selection

I do think that most likely Ireland will show up in Civ 7 with the possibility of a Scottish city-state appearing instead if they indeed decide to rotate the Celtic civs.

 

[Zaarin]

That bad? The only thing that seems subpar to me are Kublai(Mongolia), Teddy Rough Rider and the Ley Line and Honey icons.

None of the new districts has looked good, especially compared to the GS districts; the "Oppidum" is particularly bad. Of the improvements, the Rock-hewn Church is gorgeous, but the rest are average or less. Of the new leaders, only Lady Six Sky looks better than "below average," even aside from the distracting and disappointing reuse of animations. Nothing from NFP has matched the art standards set by GS, in my opinion, except the Rock-hewn Church and Babylon's palace. (Talking specifically about the visual art assets--the music, as usual, has been first rate, some of Knorr's best work. Most of the voice work has been quite good, too--particularly Ambiorix [French accent aside], Hammurabi [he speaks lovely Akkadian, unlike Gilgabro], and Menelik. Ironically LSS's clearly non-native accent is the exception here.)

 

[8housesofelixir]

None of the new districts has looked good, especially compared to the GS districts; the "Oppidum" is particularly bad.

The new Vietnamese unique encampment is another example: It has a wall, and everything inside that wall - the buildings of the district - looks like normal encampment buildings. Compare: The UDs of the GS civilizations all have unique visual for buildings inside the quarter (Cothon and Suguba are great examples).

Moreover, if you don't know this district is a Vietnam unique beforehand, you really can't tell if that wall, the only thing makes the district different from normal districts, has anything Vietnamese.

(Context: I'm from a Chinese background, so the most "Vietnamese" architectural feature from my point of view is that, the roofs of traditional Vietnamese buildings are similar to traditional Chinese roofs but with completely different scale, shape, color pattern, and decorations. That "unfamiliar familiarity" really caught my eyes very time.)

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

But to be fair, the Cothon and the Suguba are the only two that look drastically different from their standard versions though, but I do admit the red Observatory + its blue buildings are rather off-putting, and from what I've seen, Vietnamese Encampment is just a regular Encampment that has a protective shell of walls. I don't think NFP UDs look particularly worse than UDs from vanilla or R&F. The only art-related thing that I dislike is Simon Bolivar, whose smile is so creepy that it reminds me of a registered offender who is inviting me to check out his van.

 

[Zaarin]

But to be fair, the Cothon and the Suguba are the only two that look drastically different from their standard versions though, but I do admit the red Observatory + its blue buildings are rather off-putting, and from what I've seen, Vietnamese Encampment is just a regular Encampment that has a protective shell of walls. I don't think NFP UDs look particularly worse than UDs from vanilla or R&F.

Yes, but GS set a new standard that they moved back from. The result is jarring.

The only art-related thing that I dislike is Simon Bolivar, whose smile is so creepy that it reminds me of a registered offender who is inviting me to check out his van.

To be fair he inherited that from Dom Satan.

 

[sweetbrown89]

So I did it. And it’s messy (like super messy and I’m sorry). But I did my best to parse out areas of City-States (and a marginally OK job at it) that Firaxis is looking at in terms of “cultural importance” (I use the term loosely) of which areas of the world they consider...“worthy” enough of an inclusion into the games.

I don’t think I can pull out any guarantees, but they seem to be focusing on areas where fans are drawing more cultural significance — like the Italian city-states, “Southern (and Central) Asia” (India & the ‘stans), or West Africa

NOTE: I forgot to add on Bohemia to Prague / Czech Republic

 

[sonicmyst]

I guess we will just wait and see after April patch if there is something more. Or we might get back to the tried and tested method of digging into the files for clues or even interpreting some mundane tweet by one of the developers.

Nevertheless, I still like to believe that they are still not done with Civ VI.

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

I've been reasonably satisfied with which civs they've chosen, except Gran Colombia, but I've thought virtually all of the designs have been poorly thought out and poorly implemented, to say nothing of the subpar art assets. Overall, NFP has completely sapped my interest from a game I was very enthusiastic about six months ago.

Hmm I must disagree. Civ designs in NFP are very well done. To be honest they are one of the best in a game. Every Civ so far is unique and fun to play. We didn't get dull Civ to play so far. I have some issues with Gran Colombia, but still, it is fun to play and this is the most important part. I understand your criticism is coming from a historical point of view, but from the game design perspective, they are great. This game as I said many times is not a historical simulation, so the game design is much more important. And they did well.

 

[Lord Lakely]

Where did you take the bit "the devs consider it finished" from? Have they officially said that they're done and April's patch is the final one?

The game might be finished in terms of mechanics and systems, but it doesn't seem particularly outlandish for a small team to add a handful more leaders to the game.

that's exactly the point? The team working on NFP is tiny, and given that it's spread out over a full year, there's plenty of time to create new animations. By all standards, they should be impressive, but aren't, rly.

Besides, if a small portion is working on Civ, what are the others working on, then? X-Com 3? Civilization 7? Clearly, they've already moved on to greener pastures.

Hell even Anton himself described the new games modes as "the toppings on top of the sundae". You don't add toppings if the sundae isn't already ready to serve.

Even Amplitude got a team to deliver an expansion for Endless Legend last year, five years after the release of the game.

I hear tell that Endless Legend is a much better game however. One that is much easier to 'fix' at any rate. Having never played it myself however, I can't quite judge.

So I'll consider it finished when they make that clear.

Your stubborness is commendable, if anything. (no seriously. Stubborness is an excellent personality trait.)

People were also pretty adamant that DLC packs were certainly not happening and we'd get either a 3rd expansion or nothing at all.
Only when STK got revealed did speculation of a season pass really take hold.

That bad? The only thing that seems subpar to me are Kublai(Mongolia), Teddy Rough Rider and the Ley Line and Honey icons.

Haven't played through it yet, so I can't judge on that either. The designs however are gimmicky and somewhat unimaginative. Gaul are the only civ with an inspire designs, the others filling in some vague niches not yet claimed by the others.

Hmm I must disagree. Civ designs in NFP are very well done. To be honest they are one of the best in a game. Every Civ so far is unique and fun to play. We didn't get dull Civ to play so far. I have some issues with Gran Colombia, but still, it is fun to play and this is the most important part. I understand your criticism is coming from a historical point of view, but from the game design perspective, they are great. This game as I said many times is not a historical simulation, so the game design is much more important. And they did well.

They are a step down from those added in Gathering Storm. GS had some excellent forward-thinking designs and left-field choices. Even Civs I dislike, such as Mali, have to be praised for their atypical take on Civ.

But yes, the NFP designs are significantly better than those in R&F, for instance. Now that's an expansion that gets worse with time.

 

[AntSou]

Your stubborness is commendable, if anything.

It's not stubborness. Since I joined I've seen my share of people certain that there would be no more content after GS, and then certain that it couldn't possibly be DLC because Firaxis doesn't do that.

Seeing how those certainties all ended up being wrong, I don't think it's wise to make fresh new certainties.

 

[sweetbrown89]

Yeah, I did not have thought of this point of view. In my country, we see the world as 6 continents, not 7 as America is just one. Of course we do the difference between south and North America, but they are merely subcontinents (like India, It is located in the Indian subcontinent but it is in Asia). Therefore, all people that lived in the continent are "Natives americans", to the northern inuit to the southern mapuches and everything between them.

Writing this, I also notice that the meaning of America can be different too, as when I read "native American" for me the meaning is "american= Whole continent", but for other people it could mean "American= Person from the USA" (so natives tribes inside actual USA).

I find funny that different cultural points of view can change the perception of the actual state of the game!! For me they are 5 native americans civs in the game, but for others just 1! so of course some people will ask for more, as they are underrepresented!

PS: Just for sharing another curious difference, we also may use "Americas" in plural, but with 2 main meanings. To differentiate the latin American part of the anglosaxon one or, in history, when you called all the different kingdoms in the same geographical sphere of America.

Fridge thought:

This would be like considering Spain to be the same as Persia as Korea...since they’re on the same contiguous landmass and about as equally far apart from each other as the general: North, Meso-, and South Americas

 

[Ticio]

Fridge thought:

This would be like considering Spain to be the same as Persia as Korea...since they’re on the same contiguous landmass and about as equally far apart from each other as the general: North, Meso-, and South Americas

Well, it is just one big chunk of land, so we identify it as just 1 continent. I know that the same rules do not apply to Europe as it is in Asia (and Europe, Asia and Africa are connected).

If you say it because of the cultures inside, well, we are very aware of the differences between the groups. We base the differences on nationalities, but it is know that the different indigenous people are not the same.
We know that the mapuches in the south were completely different to the mexicas in the north, or the peaceful Tainos were different from the Inuits.

It is only that they all were "natives americans" or “Indians” (in old times), the same when you say "Europeans". The majority of persons knows a little bit the differences between the north europeans and the one from the south or east, but they are all "Europeans".