[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[BD123]

While I'd love to see a southwest American native civ, wasn't it the Navajo that they tried making in Civ V but the tribal leaders objected to it due to cultural taboos against representations of the deceased? Or am I getting that confused with a different southwest American native civ that eventually became Civ V's Shoshone?

I like the idea of linking the feitoria to luxury resources since it was things like luxuries trade that the Portuguese sought to monopolize, hence why they went through so much effort to control the Indian Ocean spice trade or the sugar trade.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I feel like Portugal is a rather anticlimactic final DLC, as it's such a staple. If there's no more DLC, then it's a comfortable choice to end it all, but if they have a second and definitive final DLC release, I doubt they would leave Portugal for the very very last spot.

If this is the last DLC for the game I think it will be Portugal, no matter how anticlimactic it will feel to some people.

But I agree that if it something other than Portugal for the last spot that might open up the possibility for a second season of DLC.

While I'd love to see a southwest American native civ, wasn't it the Navajo that they tried making in Civ V but the tribal leaders objected to it due to cultural taboos against representations of the deceased? Or am I getting that confused with a different southwest American native civ that eventually became Civ V's Shoshone?

It was the Pueblo.

 

[Arianrhod]

I find Portugal to be boring as sin, but on the same note it'd feel weird for it to not be in the game. In that regard, I probably won't be satisfied regardless of whether or not it's the final Civ.

I don't really need a full new set of DLC, though. Pretty much everything I still want can fit into 2-3 DLC packs:

• Native North America (e.g. Navajo) as NFP6
• Assyria or Hittites as standalone DLC
• Portugal and Morocco/Berbers/etc. as standalone DLC and the final civs

Done, I have no further complaints about the lineup. I don't even need new features for the latter two DLC civs; if you've gotta pad them out with something, I'd settle for a couple more missing wonders and maybe a few new generic units.

 

[sweetbrown89]

I find Portugal to be boring as sin, but on the same note it'd feel weird for it to not be in the game. In that regard, I probably won't be satisfied regardless of whether or not it's the final Civ.

I don't really need a full new set of DLC, though. Pretty much everything I still want can fit into 2-3 DLC packs:

• Native North America (e.g. Navajo) as NFP6
• Assyria or Hittites as standalone DLC
• Portugal and Morocco/Berbers/etc. as standalone DLC and the final civs

Done, I have no further complaints about the lineup. I don't even need new features for the latter two DLC civs; if you've gotta pad them out with something, I'd settle for a couple more missing wonders and maybe a few new generic units.

One thing that has been bothering me is that Portugal, Morocco, and Venice have all been demoted somewhat...and I feel like with the Shoshone or Iroquois slot we really have a good base for a next expansion if we considered Hittites free real estate.

 

[Guynemer]

Honestly, I don't think Portugal would even make my top ten of civs I'd want to see added at this point. Not ahead of the Haudenosaunee, Tlingit, Mughal, Morocco, Ashanti, Swahili, Timurid, Hittite, Assyrian, Muisca, Navajo, etc.

I'm just not sure what gameplay or narrative "space" Portugal could occupy that isn't already taken by other European colonial powers.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I find Portugal to be boring as sin, but on the same note it'd feel weird for it to not be in the game. In that regard, I probably won't be satisfied regardless of whether or not it's the final Civ.

I don't really need a full new set of DLC, though. Pretty much everything I still want can fit into 2-3 DLC packs:

• Native North America (e.g. Navajo) as NFP6
• Assyria or Hittites as standalone DLC
• Portugal and Morocco/Berbers/etc. as standalone DLC and the final civs

Done, I have no further complaints about the lineup. I don't even need new features for the latter two DLC civs; if you've gotta pad them out with something, I'd settle for a couple more missing wonders and maybe a few new generic units.

I agree that things I would like to see could fit into 3 DLC packs. Even though I don't mind Cleopatra I'm sure an alternate Egyptian leader could fit with Assyria or Hittites too.

Honestly, I don't think Portugal would even make my top ten of civs I'd want to see added at this point. Not ahead of the Haudenosaunee, Tlingit, Mughal, Morocco, Ashanti, Swahili, Timurid, Hittite, Assyrian, Muisca, Navajo, etc.

I'm just not sure what gameplay or narrative "space" Portugal could occupy that isn't already taken by other European colonial powers.

Well we've been talking about how no civs fit the theme of exploration over the past few pages. Not that I don't like your other choices but I feel like Portugal's return will eventually be imminent over most, if not all at this point.

 

[sweetbrown89]

So I did a thing.

I just made a comprehensive “perspective map” of the Civs so far just to look at what we overall have in the game.

Leaders are colored by gender for no real reason, (but it does help with said perspective.)

Bold text indicates what I thought count as “historically dominant” powers, generally through conquest or colonization — I excluded the Aztecs because...Spain, same for Indonesia and the Dutch, etc.

I included Georgia in Eastern Europe because the consensus of Georgians (and Armenians) consider themselves to be European, not Asian.

Indonesia was grouped with Oceania using the broadest definition (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Oceania,_broad_(orthographic_projection).svg) which helps highlight the clear divide between Austroasiatic / Tai-Kadai from Austronesian realms...(and it makes the line between Indonesia & Papua New Guinea less awkward.)

I also supplied other images showing where I divided regions (because Africa is geopolitically messy AF, and I chose to align with Nubia separated from Egypt, I also liked I how West Europe is predominantly Latin-Germanic and East is predominantly Greco-Slavic.)

I put Gran Colombia in “Caribbean” because there are so many overlaps in Central America that I went with the broadest, again (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Caribbean_(orthographic_projection).svg)

 

[Kupe Navigator]

I have a theory that says they might "leak" March civ on February update video- via objects or small hints on dev's words.

 

[Josephias]

I spent so much time trying to find that label I'm both happy and annoyed it was that easy for you.

Good point, I didn't even consider that.

I'd actually be pretty excited for an oddball Civ which gets bonuses from tiles which are unexploitable by other Civs in the game.

The idea of the Inuit is not what I would have in mind initially, but could work as last-of-the-pack-Civ-with-a-radical-gameplay-change.

I won't be inclined to make all snow tiles workable right from the start, but I can see them having
-improvement moviment in the snow
-improved production for coastal tiles around snow, and capabilitiy to work ice-covered water tiles
-improved production for resources in snow
-an UI that can be built on snow to get a basic yield from that tile
-cities in built in snow or tundra have smaller requirements (e.g., you only need 2 pop for each new district), but cities in other terrains have higher requirements (e.g. you need 4 pop for each new district).

Regarding "leaders", i looked wiki for help, and indeed is difficult, but from the named people there, and going for the not-20 century ones, there might be some real candidate. It's difficult as afaik nothing like an "organized" leadership as we have for much other civs, so some of the early diplomatic contacts with the rest of the world might be an option.

The only thing, the hint falls appart (or not) if whe check Orca Coatings

is collaborating with save the wales

 

[Prester John 2]

I know Portugal is a favourite of many but personally I don't see much new stuff that could be done with it. There are already tons of European and naval civs.
Looking at the world map I would much prefer a civ from the large Asian landmass. In between Persia, Scythia, India and Mongolia there's still a large white spot. I would love if they filled it with some Turkic culture: Seljuks, Oghuz Turks, Timurids, Uzbeks, with Alp Arslan, Malik Shah, Timur or Ulugh Beg as the ruler. It shouldn't be just about conquest, as Mongolia, but include a nod to the scientific endeavours of Ulugh Beg. Central Asia has been such an important region for the world but until now we only had Mongolia and maybe Scythia as nomadic civs. The Turks have been confined to the (late in terms of their appearance) Ottomans. As a unique building or improvement I would like to see either an observatory or a mausoleum. Their unique ability could be in terms of plains usage and pastoralism: more yields, faster movement.

 

[Yudhisthira]

I know Portugal is a favourite of many but personally I don't see much new stuff that could be done with it. There are already tons of European and naval civs.
Looking at the world map I would much prefer a civ from the large Asian landmass. In between Persia, Scythia, India and Mongolia there's still a large white spot. I would love if they filled it with some Turkic culture: Seljuks, Oghuz Turks, Timurids, Uzbeks, with Alp Arslan, Malik Shah, Timur or Ulugh Beg as the ruler. It shouldn't be just about conquest, as Mongolia, but include a nod to the scientific endeavours of Ulugh Beg. Central Asia has been such an important region for the world but until now we only had Mongolia and maybe Scythia as nomadic civs. The Turks have been confined to the (late in terms of their appearance) Ottomans. As a unique building or improvement I would like to see either an observatory or a mausoleum. Their unique ability could be in terms of plains usage and pastoralism: more yields, faster movement.

In addition to Turkic civs, there r many rich options in Central Asia also like Bactria-Sogdiana, Tarim Basin(Tocharians),Gandhara,Yuezi(Kushana) etc. Of all,Bactria looks promising as it could have a Greco-Bactrian or Kushana leader also.
In fact IMO someone like Kaniskha could lead India & Bactria both.

 

[notNamed]

In addition to Turkic civs, there r many rich options in Central Asia also like Bactria-Sogdiana, Tarim Basin(Tocharians),Gandhara,Yuezi(Kushana) etc. Of all,Bactria looks promising as it could have a Greco-Bactrian or Kushana leader also.
In fact IMO someone like Kaniksha could lead India & Bactria both.

Between Cleopatra, Alexander, Pericles, Gorgo and Basileus, the last thing the game needs is yet another Hellenistic leader. Even if Bactria as such is an interesting place, most of the appeal comes from it being Greek. Heck, even Ottomans are a Perso-Hellenistic civilisation, which is what gets them the spot in spite of (and not because of) their Central Asian language and name.
If the game added some representation of the area, I'd much rather see it focus on a genuine historic entity specific to that area, not a vague catch-all representant for all (semi-)nomadic people like Scythians nor "Greeks, but further east!"

 

[AntSou]

I have a theory that says they might "leak" March civ on February update video- via objects or small hints on dev's words.

They have "leaked" the content of every DLC in advance, so at this point it would be out of the norm for them not to.

IIRC, the only thing that was a complete surprise was Gaul. Byzantium was hinted when they showed the Venice city state, which essentially meant they were replacing either Antioch or Lisbon. The unannounced game modes were hinted in the database tables. Kublai and Vietnam had a file hinting at them. Barbarian mode next month has been hinted at, and Chang is almost definitely hinting at something in the last update, whether for February or March, we can't tell.

But yes, keep your eyes peeled both in the upcoming livestreams and database updates because there'll likely be something there.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Byzantium was hinted when they showed the Venice city state, which essentially meant they were replacing either Antioch or Lisbon.

It's been so long since August that I completely forgot about that one.

Still not convince the Orca means anything significant when it comes to predicting a new civ but we'll see. If it does my hope is that it's the Tlingit over the Inuit.

 

[AntSou]

Still not convince the Orca means anything significant when it comes to predicting a new civ but we'll see. If it does my hope is that it's the Tlingit over the Inuit.

Not the Orca, the "chilliness" from the beanie and the acting of drinking a hot beverage. They take a second too long on him like they do with Kevin holding the barbarian, and it's a bit too similar to Tronster's Top Hat & Sherry/Port. And it might be a reference to the game mode, not a Civ, though the more I think about it the more I want a Inuit Civ .

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Not the Orca, the "chilliness" from the beanie and the acting of drinking a hot beverage. They take a second too long on him like they do with Kevin holding the barbarian, and it's a bit too similar to Tronster's Top Hat & Sherry/Port. And it might be a reference to the game mode, not a Civ, though the more I think about it the more I want a Inuit Civ .

Well the Tlingit still inhabit Canada/Alaska so the "chilliness" would still check out. They'd make a more doable civ, at least in my opinion, over the Inuit.

Plus in R&F there was evidence that they were going to do the Haida so a PNW culture still might be on their minds.

 

[TeddyMain]

Plus in R&F there was evidence that they were going to do the Haida so a PNW culture still might be on their minds.

Just a thought, but perhaps they could be revisiting the Haida for the final civ?

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Just a thought, but perhaps they could be revisiting the Haida for the final civ?

I personally think the Iroquois are making a comeback. They have a good female Leader which would fill the 1:3 Woman to Man Leader ratio Civ 6 has: Jigonhsasee

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Just a thought, but perhaps they could be revisiting the Haida for the final civ?

I mean it's always possible.
They might have decided they were too similar to Norway considering they've been compared to Vikings by the way they conduct warfare, which is raiding along the coasts.

Unless the "cold and chilly" clues mean anything I'm more or less convinced that it will be either the Iroquois or they decide to end the game with Portugal.

 

[Zaarin]

I personally think the Iroquois are making a comeback. They have a good female Leader which would fill the 1:3 Woman to Man Leader ratio Civ 6 has: Jigonhsasee

If they really want a female leader for the Haudenosaunee, I'd much prefer Molly Brant.