[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

If we can get a staple + 2, I'm all for making the Haudenosaunee a staple. If that crowds out Canada and Australia, well, that's two birds with one stone.

Well I'm sure it would crowd out Canada.

 

[Zaarin]

Well I'm sure it would crowd out Canada.

Well, Australia is the one I'm more actively trying to crowd out so that's not helpful. If we add a second Polynesian civ or another Southeast Asian civ can that crowd out Australia?

 

[Greywulf]

Europe really has plenty of civs in it, at least compared to other regions of the world. Of course, there's still plenty of good choices there, there's only so many spots available for civs, and I would like a little more representation elsewhere. Overall Asia also has plenty of civs, but being that Asia is so huge, and naturally divided by the Himalayas, etc., I think it's only fair to sub-divide it a little more, which does change things.

E. Asia: Bhutan!!! If we get another East Asian civ, it must be Bhutan.
S. Asia: Tamil (e.g. Chola).
N. America: Haudenosaunee, or Navajo, or for an especially interesting/niche civ, the Inuit. All are good choices here.
S. America: Muisca.
Africa: Swahili, or Maasai.
Oceania: Noongars, or Papuan might be interesting.

 

[Greywulf]

Well, Australia is the one I'm more actively trying to crowd out so that's not helpful. If we add a second Polynesian civ or another Southeast Asian civ can that crowd out Australia?

Australia as a continent is pretty big. If we took that size a chunk out of Europe, you can imagine how many civs we could squeeze into it.

 

[cosmicmangobear]

I'm still not pleased the Australian civ was included without any aboriginal references except for a digeridoo in the ancient soundtrack. I get most tribes don't meet the criteria of a "civilization", but there's a much stronger case for inclusion of a millennia old culture with unique art and lore than yet another British Empire spinoff. Same reason I'd have preferred the Inuit over Canada, and medieval Ireland over "golf course" Scotland.

 

[Karmah]

He's probably our best choice. And I think he works in the same way that Kupe or Gilgamesh do.



Yeah even Gaul and GC were very heavily pushed on these forums. Neither were much of a surprise.

Either way, I hope it doesn't mean the end of content.

to be fair , what has not been heavily pushed or at least discussed here? it's not a civ*fanatic* site for nothing tbh

 

[mitsho]

You're going to the wrong way. Don't see the colonial and the native nations as competitors, look at them as complimenting each other. The best case scenario we have all of them. If they become a bit less unique, that's alright with me. But I'd like around a hundred civs, or civs that develop their unique from their gameplay, or civs that change over time. Difficult to pull off, but certainly doable for civ 7. Or combine city states and barbarians into minor nations and suddenly, you have room for all of them. Australia then can be a minor nation, for sure

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Well, Australia is the one I'm more actively trying to crowd out so that's not helpful. If we add a second Polynesian civ or another Southeast Asian civ can that crowd out Australia?

I can possibly see for Civ 7 we get the Maori again, but they don't necessarily have an ocean start or wayfinding ability, as that could go to second Polynesian civ like Hawaii.

You're going to the wrong way. Don't see the colonial and the native nations as competitors, look at them as complimenting each other.

When the Cree were announced, I thought that would have meant no Canada. But you are right as they do compliment each other considering the Cree is how many people wanted Canada to be designed.

That being said I do see some of them switching around for the next game. Instead of the Mapuche and Gran Colombia I can easily see the Muisca and Argentina instead, if not an addition.

I also think it's a matter of time before Mexico makes it in as well in addition to the Aztecs and Maya.

 

[Abaxial]

How many Haudenosaunee people actually play Civ? Compared to Australians, Canadians, Portuguese etc? Can you imagine the reaction if a version of Civ was published with no USA?

 

[PhoenicianGold]

How many Haudenosaunee people actually play Civ? Compared to Australians, Canadians, Portuguese etc? Can you imagine the reaction if a version of Civ was published with no USA?

Ugh. I know. Every game needs a villain.

 

[Guynemer]

How many Haudenosaunee people actually play Civ? Compared to Australians, Canadians, Portuguese etc? Can you imagine the reaction if a version of Civ was published with no USA?

how many Sumerian people play Civ?

c'mon man

 

[Zaarin]

Australia as a continent is pretty big. If we took that size a chunk out of Europe, you can imagine how many civs we could squeeze into it.

I'm not trying to crowd the continent off the map. I'm trying to crowd the civ out of the game.

I get most tribes don't meet the criteria of a "civilization", but there's a much stronger case for inclusion of a millennia old culture with unique art and lore than yet another British Empire spinoff.

Aside from the fact that the Aboriginal Australians were mesolithic tribes, the Aboriginal Australians also have taboos about depicting the dead, which means they don't really want to be included.

I also think it's a matter of time before Mexico makes it in as well in addition to the Aztecs and Maya.

How many Haudenosaunee people actually play Civ? Compared to Australians, Canadians, Portuguese etc? Can you imagine the reaction if a version of Civ was published with no USA?

Maybe my perspective is skewed because I'm American and I would be delighted if there were zero postcolonial civs including no USA, but I still don't understand people's obsession with having "their" civilization in game. Especially since Civ6 is trending away from depicting civilizations as civilizations and trending towards depicting civilizations as nation-states...which is anachronistic for 98% of the roster.

Every game needs a villain.

Don't worry: we'll never ditch Gandhi.

how many Sumerian people play Civ?

Are we asking a sensible person or an Iraqi or Hungarian* nationalist?

*Yes, there really are Hungarian nationalists who claim they are descended from Sumerians.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

How many Haudenosaunee people actually play Civ? Compared to Australians, Canadians, Portuguese etc? Can you imagine the reaction if a version of Civ was published with no USA?

The thing to me is there needs to be a balance. There are the fans that play it for historical reasons and would much rather native tribes than colonial nations that occupy the same region. At the same time there are fans that don't particularly care about history and would love to play as their country which appeals to the wider gaming market.

At the end of the day I'm fine with both. However I think there is fair criticism that Civ 6 might be leaning a little bit too far towards the latter starting with Brazil in the base game, which to me wasn't necessarily a bad thing. But it's not hard to imagine why maybe the Inca deserves to be there as well, even if there aren't a lot of Quecha players compared to Brazilian.

 

[Guynemer]

Are we asking a sensible person or an Iraqi or Hungarian* nationalist?

Well this is the internet so "sensible" is already ruled out.

 

[Zaarin]

At the same time there are fans that don't particularly care about history and would love to play as their country which appeals to the wider gaming market.

Then maybe they should go play Hearts of Iron.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Don't worry: we'll never ditch Gandhi.

That's Pedro II's role now.

 

[Guynemer]

That's Pedro II's role now.

god he sucks

I'M MAD AT YOU FOR BEING GOOD AT THE GAME

shut up, Pedro

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Maybe my perspective is skewed because I'm American and I would be delighted if there were zero postcolonial civs including no USA, but I still don't understand people's obsession with having "their" civilization in game. Especially since Civ6 is trending away from depicting civilizations as civilizations and trending towards depicting civilizations as nation-states...which is anachronistic for 98% of the roster.

Aren't half, if not most, of the civilizations from Civ 1 more closer to the idea of nation-states today than actual civilizations? At least of the top of my head there's America, England, France, Germany, Russia, and arguably China or India as well.

Of course with more modern nations popping up it appears to be worse but the idea of starting out as a civilization and evolving into a nation-state, has been there from the beginning.

 

[Abaxial]

Maybe my perspective is skewed because I'm American and I would be delighted if there were zero postcolonial civs including no USA, but I still don't understand people's obsession with having "their" civilization in game.

You, and many other participants in this forum, are scholarly folk, well educated in the tribes of American or other prehistory. I am sure this is not typical of the average gamer.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

You, and many other participants in this forum, are scholarly folk, well educated in the tribes of American or other prehistory. I am sure this is not typical of the average gamer.

Of the typical Civ 6 gamer, though... It's probably 50/50.

Edit: On second thought, it's probably 75% Casual, 25% CivFanatics.