[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I also am for having new leaders for civs who have plethora of choices. Why are we forced to suffer through Napolen again and again? It's not like if France only had one or two decent leaders.

I mean Napoleon still isn't a bad choice, in my opinion, as long as there are at least another alternative leader/playstyle.

 

[Zaarin]

For Civ 7 I'd like Sejong to come back with the Hwacha as his UU (it was under his reign that the first prototypes were built), the Turtle Ship as the civ UU, and a Seowon UD that replaces the campus but provides culture instead of science.

I realize it's a pipe dream to hope that Korea will ever stop being "the science civ," but picking Sejong is just going to keep turning it into the science civ. Taejo Wang Geon of Goryeo or Gwanggaeto would be a nice change.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

I realize it's a pipe dream to hope that Korea will ever stop being "the science civ," but picking Sejong is just going to keep turning it into the science civ. Taejo Wang Geon of Goryeo or Gwanggaeto would be a nice change.

Or Yi Sun-sin, since we have Ba Trieu leading Vietnam.

 

[Zaarin]

Or Yi Sun-sin, since we have Ba Trieu leading Vietnam.

As a Joseon admiral who invented the geobukseon, they'll still use him to turn Korea into a science civ.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

As a Joseon admiral who invented the geobukseon, they'll still use him to turn Korea into a science civ.

Honestly, maybe they could have him have the Turtle Ship as a UU, but have his abilities based around the Battle of Myeongnyang. He never lost a ship in his entire career as well.

 

[Zaarin]

Honestly, maybe they could have him have the Turtle Ship as a UU, but have his abilities based around the Battle of Myeongnyang. He never lost a ship in his entire career as well.

They could, yes, but first they have to realize that "mega-science" isn't particularly representative of most of Korea's history.

 

[FinalDoomsday]

She's one recurring leader I don't mind being infinitely recurring. On the one hand, she's just one of my favorites; on the other, Civ has yet to portray her right so they need to keep trying until they do.

How would you like her portrayed?

 

[cain3456]

I still think HRE with Charlemagne or Barbarossa should be separated out from Germany with Bismarck.

 

[ManoftheHour333]

I still think HRE with Charlemagne or Barbarossa should be separated out from Germany with Bismarck.

Something with the Italian city states (Add K. of Italy or Venice etc.) would need to happen before I'd be ok with putting the HRE back... It wasn't really ever a "civ" put together...more of a loose alliance which is always mess translating to Civ. if we have dual leaders, I'd make a Germany civ (Bismarck) and an Austrian civ (Maria Theresa) in Civ VII and add Barbarossa back to represent the HRE as well as both. And they could make Germany under Bismarck the military/production civ, Austria under MT would be diplomacy/religion, and Barbarossa would have a religious/military focus. So each would play differently and cover a fair bit of central Europe. It does ruin the chances of the Czech/Bohemians ever getting a leader though...

My European master list wouldn't have had Hungary in there though unless they're adding A LOT more civs. To be frank, MT could have the same abilities and would have been another female leader...plus I think less domination focussed leaders are always better as those are never short in supply lol.

On the France debate...I think Louis XIV makes the most sense if we only get one leader. But if not, I wouldn't mind seeing Napoleon for a military/culture focus, or Eleanor come back for a more diplomatic/cultural focus. Call me mad but it was cool to get some Angevin representation and to be frank (pun intended), the Angevin/HYW period is more interesting than the religious wars period with a random Louis [x]. France should be a cultural civ over a religious one...there are better representatives for religious European leaders so I'd keep France cultural at heart.

They could, yes, but first they have to realize that "mega-science" isn't particularly representative of most of Korea's history.

True...but it's hard to find that many "mega science" civs out there. Tbh, China could be made into an awesome science civ more than Korea...but I think having Korea as one of the best science civs puts them on the map and really differentiates them from other defensive eastern asian civs...especially since Vietnam is now thing.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I realize it's a pipe dream to hope that Korea will ever stop being "the science civ," but picking Sejong is just going to keep turning it into the science civ. Taejo Wang Geon of Goryeo or Gwanggaeto would be a nice change.

I don't mind some science, considering any design of Korea is probably going to have some attributes of the Joseon period, Korea's so called golden age.
I'd ideally love a mix of science and culture, which I feel like they've started on that path with the Hwarang ability.

 

[Zaarin]

How would you like her portrayed?

Intelligent, cultured, and extremely moody and mercurial. Many scholars think that Cleopatra in Shakespeare's Antony and Cleopatra was meant to be a portrait of Elizabeth I so that's a great place to start. Also Elizabeth I gave many fine speeches and wrote her own poetry which are ample sources for her to speak in direct quotes from the real Elizabeth. Her denouncing animation really needs to involve throwing a shoe at the camera. Yes, she really did throw a shoe at an envoy who angered her.

True...but it's hard to find that many "mega science" civs out there. Tbh, China could be made into an awesome science civ more than Korea...but I think having Korea as one of the best science civs puts them on the map and really differentiates them from other defensive eastern asian civs...especially since Vietnam is now thing.

I don't mind some science, considering any design of Korea is probably going to have some attributes of the Joseon period, Korea's so called golden age.
I'd ideally love a mix of science and culture, which I feel like they've started on that path with the Hwarang ability.

I'd like to see Korea as a culture/faith civ; let China be the science civ. The "Korean science" meme is more a result of South Korea's 90s science boom than the brief flowering of sciences under Sejong.

 

[ManoftheHour333]

I'd like to see Korea as a culture/faith civ; let China be the science civ. The "Korean science" meme is more a result of South Korea's 90s science boom than the brief flowering of sciences under Sejong.[/QUOTE]


...but Civs are kiiiinda supposed to incorporate the whole civ's history in their abilities a little but. It's why the 80s tech boom in Japan got them a UB. And Korea is still known for science-especially under Sejong. I don't really see faith as being that important to them as a civ when compared to Japan or even China so...I don't think faith would fit well in their toolkit unless it was retrofitted to help them culturally or scientifically.

The issue is that it gets boring if every civ in a region is same-y. Being frank, Japan is more known for insane culture than Korea ever was and I don't see them losing that monocre. It'd be like France not being a cultural civ...and as Japan is literally the France of the east (There are some connections lol), I think they should remain strong in that department. I'd say Japan fits best as a culture/domination civ with the domination coming to reference the Meiji period.

Ok so then there's Mongolia...ok yeah they're going to be domination 100% because that's their biggest niche. Maybe throw in an economic bonus in like they did with Kublai.

And then China. I think that they tried to make China into a cultural civ in VI which I think was a mistake...I think they should have remained a science/domination civ...keep them strong like that. I think Wu Zetian would be a great leader for them to use again to. Make her abilities diplomatic/militaristic while keeping China's bonuses science focussed. I kind of like what they did with dynastic cycles...just make it stronger and more sciencey.

What I propose is that Korea is made into a science/culture civ. It references the Sejong period and the 80/90s tech boom that people know, while also keeping the more isolated cultural civ vibe that would fit Korea well. And DEFINITELY bring back Sejong-all y Korean friends were annoyed that he wasn't the leader lol. Anywho It's all about a balance in east asia so that everyone feels distinct and there's not much overlap...a Civ VII spread like this might help

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

Or Yi Sun-sin, since we have Ba Trieu leading Vietnam.

I mean, let's be real, if VN makes a comeback in Civ7, I'll be damned if they still pick Ba Trieu. I just don't see it happening. It will be a dude leading VN.

 

[Zaarin]

It'd be like France not being a cultural civ...

Yes, please. Let the most militant civ in Western Europe be the militant civ (and bring forth Philippe Auguste to lead them) and give the culture to Lizzie.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Yes, please. Let the most militant civ in Western Europe be the militant civ (and bring forth Philippe Auguste to lead them) and give the culture to Lizzie.

What about Germany's role?
That being said the French in Humankind are Scientific so that's another route they could go if they wanted.

 

[Zaarin]

What about Germany's role?

Science and industry? Economic (Hanseatic League, already referenced in their Civ6 UD)? The other warmonger (it takes two to tango )?

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Economic (Hanseatic League, already referenced in their Civ6 UD)?

The Dutch...I mean Portugal have that covered.

The other warmonger (it takes two to tango )?

I guess somebody has to fight over Alsace-Lorraine with the French.

 

[Zaarin]

I guess somebody has to fight over Alsace-Lorraine with the French.

Or Elsaß-Lothringen, depending on which side you're on.

 

[8housesofelixir]

Science and industry? Economic (Hanseatic League, already referenced in their Civ6 UD)? The other warmonger (it takes two to tango )?

I don't mind to see Hansa (or HRE?) and Germany (mostly equals "Prussia plus Ruhr" in the historical games) being different civs - they belonged to the same culture group and spoke the same language, no doubt, but their organization structures and governing strategies were just dramatically different.

And then China. I think that they tried to make China into a cultural civ in VI which I think was a mistake...I think they should have remained a science/domination civ...keep them strong like that. I think Wu Zetian would be a great leader for them to use again to. Make her abilities diplomatic/militaristic while keeping China's bonuses science focussed. I kind of like what they did with dynastic cycles...just make it stronger and more sciencey.

China with a culture focus is not a problem, the problem being Qin Shi Huang is not someone you can easily link with "culture". He was basically a Napoleon-like figure who bornt 2000 years earlier; there were many other emperors that can fit into a culture design much better than him (in fact, Wu Zetian was one of them).

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

I'd like to see Korea as a culture/faith civ; let China be the science civ. The "Korean science" meme is more a result of South Korea's 90s science boom than the brief flowering of sciences under Sejong.

Shen Kuo would agree with you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shen_Kuo