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[Kwami]

That's just fact isnt it? He's about to win a science victory because his rockets are going to be powering a human to the moon in the Artemis program

By that logic, the US already won a science victory in the 60s and the game is already over. Musk wasn't even born, yet.

Besides, Artemis is using the SLS, which was developed by NASA, and not SpaceX rockets. There are some support missions calling for SpaceX, Blue Origin, and other rockets, but none of the planned 11 Artemis missions call for anything other than SLS. That brings us out to at least 2036 (and probably well into the 2040s).

So, no, Musk isn't about to land a human on the moon or to win any kind of science victory.

 

[Rac]

Ok, finally a little thing to update! So with Amina's First Look and today's SonghaI's Game Guide, we didn't got "new" stuff being confirmed in the game, we knew about these since Civ 7 gameplay where revealed, we did get to knew the gameplay details that are great. Then what would I have to update? Well, Songhai's description mentions Mali and Morocco, so these two will go to the "implicated civs that may become DLC"... Someday, I hope?

Yeah that's was it for today.

 

[moondog385]

I expect Mansa Musa to return even if Mali itself doesn’t.

The wording implies Mali might get stuck in Antiquity so it could lead into Songhai which would…not make much sense from a time perspective. But they may try to justify it like Khmer.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I expect Mansa Musa to return even if Mali itself doesn’t.

The wording implies Mali might get stuck in Antiquity so it could lead into Songhai which would…not make much sense from a time perspective. But they may try to justify it like Khmer.

The Ghana Empire to me seems more likely to be an Antiquity Age civ, considering it even predates the Mali Empire. They might would call it Wagadu to not confuse it with the modern-day country.

I could easily see Mansa Musa leading Ghana/Wagadu>Songhai>Morocco in the future.

 

[Leucarum]

Well... I guess they might also call a civ Mali just for recognition even if it's closer to another if they were being completely historical.

 

[Krajzen]

Zero chance for Mali in civ7 IMO. Songhai covers the same niches, the same geographic - cultural region, the same religion, the same city list, and even the same era. And to add nail to that coffin, we already have an Islamic ruler from West African Sahel zone: Amina.

If anything, we'd get Ghana to function as an ancient civ for West Africa - the only possibility we have other than some Nigerian archeological civs (Nok, Ile-Ife, Sao etc). I still would count more on the latter than the former (or no ancient West African civ at all), since Ghana is, again, the same niche and regional contuinity that Mali and Songhai, just worse attested. Personally I'd also avoid ancient Ghana to allow modern Ghana that inexplicably took its name, though that doesn't matter much since apparently I am the only civ player who likes postcolonial African states enough to even think about them being present in those games

 

[Gori the Grey]

The opening blurbs seem to follow a formula of saying from where (in our historical timeline) the civ emerged, how it thrived, and when and how it fell.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Personally I'd also avoid ancient Ghana to allow modern Ghana that inexplicably took its name, though that doesn't matter much since apparently I am the only civ player who likes postcolonial African states enough to even think about them being present in those games

As I said above, they could use the term Wagadu to describe the empire. Of course, I also don't believe they'd use modern Ghana either, but more likely the Ashanti for a Modern civ.

 

[Xandinho]

It would be crazy if they made both Songhai and Mali. I know it's pretty unlikely and I don't particularly expect it, but Mali/Mansa Musa has always been a pretty popular combination.

Still, I think the Ghana Empire would be a really interesting addition. We've had more obscure civs like Mississippians and probably Tonga in the future, so I'm definitely expeting Ghana.

 

[Rac]

If did managed to get Greece, Byzantium and Macedon on last Civ, why not do the proper rivalry between Songhai and Mali in the same Age? Of course I don't believe we will see Mali anytime soon, but just because Songhai is here means that Mali should be left out from the Civ7 roster? Why always doing them being excludent of each other and not do both exploring different aspects?

If anything, we'd get Ghana to function as an ancient civ for West Africa

As said above, we can go with Wagadu as a name... But Civ7 already has them represented as an IP, and their name solution is great: Soninke works pretty fine

I am the only civ player who likes postcolonial African states enough to even think about them being present in those games

I feel you, also wish to see modern nations getting a highlights too, I know a lot of people here turn up their noses just thinking about it

 

[Evolena]

Then what would I have to update? Well, Songhai's description mentions Mali and Morocco, so these two will go to the "implicated civs that may become DLC"... Someday, I hope?

As these were also mentioned, but I doubt we will have (even one day) all of Bali, Cambodia, Mali, England, Florence, Franks, Hausa, Kalinga, Laos, Manchu, Morocco, Punt, Qin (not Qing), Thailand, Vietnam and Zhou.

 

[TheGhostEnthusiast]

As these were also mentioned, but I doubt we will have (even one day) all of Bali, Cambodia, Mali, England, Florence, Franks, Hausa, Kalinga, Laos, Manchu, Morocco, Punt, Qin (not Qing), Thailand, Vietnam and Zhou.

Personally, I'd be willing to toss out Thailand as a prediction already, for the simple reason that we have Siam.

 

[Xandinho]

As these were also mentioned, but I doubt we will have (even one day) all of Bali, Cambodia, Mali, England, Florence, Franks, Hausa, Kalinga, Laos, Manchu, Morocco, Punt, Qin (not Qing), Thailand, Vietnam and Zhou.

I can see several of these as very likely options and many others as reasonably likely options.

 

[moondog385]

The Ghana Empire to me seems more likely to be an Antiquity Age civ, considering it even predates the Mali Empire. They might would call it Wagadu to not confuse it with the modern-day country.

I could easily see Mansa Musa leading Ghana/Wagadu>Songhai>Morocco in the future.

I would love to see Ghana in the game. I don't think any name changes are necessary. They have Spain in the Exploration Age and Greece in Antiquity (granted, there's some here complaining about that but you get my point). Just call it the Ghana Empire and people will understand.

 

[TheSpaceCowboy]

This is cool and could make the culture game fun to manage. Antiquity era cultural items could have a steadily increasing value over time (call it fame or renown or whatever) for the culture that produced them. Owning them gets you tourism (when they are items; literature you always get the credit). And then other aspects of your culture can spread around the world. I think you could put Hollywood or even McDonalds into the category with Oktoberfest. These come later in the game and they give you points by breadth of dispersion rather than longevity. You can win cultural victory either by producing famous things early, by holding on to them, or by diffusing your culture late, or some combination.

There's a little trace of this in Civ 5's theming bonuses, maybe (again I don't know Civ 6), because some of the cultural storage buildings want you to have, e.g. two works from one particular era, so if you managed to get two produced in one of the early eras, that's a theming bonus that other people can't easily replicate. But that ancient-path-to-culture / modern-path-to-culture could be greatly expanded.


or the culture that took them can repatriate them, for a tourism loss but a diplo gain.

This gives me an idea for the Modern Age Culture victory condition, one similar to the Exploration Age Science victory condition.

You need a diverse set of Museums themed around specific types of Great Works. It’s not enough to merely fill a museum with any Works whatsoever. Only by having Museums themed around Paintings, Sculptures, Music, Literature, Cinema, and Video Games can you get a Culture Victory (you need to display Sid Meier’s Civilization if you want to stand the test of time).

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Personally, I'd be willing to toss out Thailand as a prediction already, for the simple reason that we have Siam.

I mean Siam = Thailand anyway, so it's not necessary.

I would love to see Ghana in the game. I don't think any name changes are necessary. They have Spain in the Exploration Age and Greece in Antiquity (granted, there's some here complaining about that but you get my point). Just call it the Ghana Empire and people will understand.

You're right. Just pointing out there is another name if they wanted to use that instead.

 

[Evolena]

As these were also mentioned, but I doubt we will have (even one day) all of Bali, Cambodia, Mali, England, Florence, Franks, Hausa, Kalinga, Laos, Manchu, Morocco, Punt, Qin (not Qing), Thailand, Vietnam and Zhou.

To be clear (just in case), those are not prediction nor anti-prediction, but they have been mentioned in the descriptive text of other Civs or Leaders.

 

[Rac]

Another update: Ibn Battuta is here! A lovely choice in my opinion, really shows how free is the scope to the leader choices roster.

 

[Ryansinbela]

Where did Mani come from

 

[Rac]

Where did Mani come from

Aksum's description on their game guide