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Civilization VII - Gameplay Trailer/Showcase - Civilizations & Leaders Shown

There seems to be fifteen civs per era in the base game, and each civ seems to be associated with a wonder. At the 1h57 mark in this video by Ursa Ryan (
), he displays all the wonders he could find in the civilopedia. This leads me to belive that the era 1 civs are:
-Rome (Colosseum)
-Greece (Colossus)
-Assyria (Dur-Sharrukin)
-Silla (Emile Bell)
-Axum (Grea Stele)
-Tonga (Ha'amonga 'a Maui)
-Babylon (Hanging Gardens)
-Ostrogoths (Mausoleum of Theodoric)
-Gupta (Nalanda)
-Nabateans (Petra)
-Teotihuacans (Pyramids of the Sun)
-Egypt (Pyramids)
-Maurya (Sanchi Stupa)
-Qin (Teracotta Army)
I'm a bit iffy on the teotihuacans because as far as I'm aware there is only one pyramid of the sun there, and maybe Qin and Silla are referred by the name of other dynasties or kingdoms. If I'm right, however, this lends credence to the idea that leaders and civs are divorced, since we know Confucius will be a leader, and he lived under the Zhou dynasty.

I don't think every Wonder implies a corresponding civilization, at least I didn't see anything confirming that. In past games there were frequently multiple wonders that either had no civ, or came from the same civ. Absent something confirming a 1 to 1 corollary, I wouldn't take this to mean all these civs are in.
 
That number seems high to me--that's 45 civs in the base game. We also know not all wonders will be associated with a civ. (But I'd be very happy to see Assyria return, and I've always thought the Nabataeans were a great civ candidate.)
Yeah, seems high, considering they will be charging $30 for DLC with 2 leaders and 4 additional civs/wonders
 
That number seems high to me--that's 45 civs in the base game. We also know not all wonders will be associated with a civ. (But I'd be very happy to see Assyria return, and I've always thought the Nabataeans were a great civ candidate.)
The Civ selection screen with Songhai also indicates 45 to be the case. I expect a somewhat usual number of leaders, but a high number of civs.
Mild complaint, I do not like how they did Augustus at all. I mean, we have this:
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But this guy feels like King Joffrey having a tantrum. Maybe this was a lame attempt at humor but it missed.
Keep in mind that Octavian got into politics at a very young age and most of his depictions from the era were carefully doctored to make him seem more handsome and mighty. His last words also indicate that he had a tendency to get a little bit theatrical. The caricature has some basis in reality.
 
The Civ selection screen with Songhai also indicates 45 to be the case. I expect a somewhat usual number of leaders, but a high number of civs.
I'm starting to lean that way, as well, the more I think about it. That means 45 civ themes. :love:
 
There seems to be fifteen civs per era in the base game, and each civ seems to be associated with a wonder. At the 1h57 mark in this video by Ursa Ryan (
), he displays all the wonders he could find in the civilopedia. This leads me to belive that the era 1 civs are:
-Rome (Colosseum)
-Greece (Colossus)
-Assyria (Dur-Sharrukin)
-Silla (Emile Bell)
-Axum (Grea Stele)
-Tonga (Ha'amonga 'a Maui)
-Babylon (Hanging Gardens)
-Ostrogoths (Mausoleum of Theodoric)
-Gupta (Nalanda)
-Nabateans (Petra)
-Teotihuacans (Pyramids of the Sun)
-Egypt (Pyramids)
-Maurya (Sanchi Stupa)
-Qin (Teracotta Army)
I'm a bit iffy on the teotihuacans because as far as I'm aware there is only one pyramid of the sun there, and maybe Qin and Silla are referred by the name of other dynasties or kingdoms. If I'm right, however, this lends credence to the idea that leaders and civs are divorced, since we know Confucius will be a leader, and he lived under the Zhou dynasty.
I would like to point out that Mundo Perdido was seen in the B Roll as a wonder. So, I sort of think that the Pyramid of the Sun is obsolete and Mundo Perdido is the Mesoamerican wonder, associated with the Maya as an Antiquity civ.
 
The Civ selection screen with Songhai also indicates 45 to be the case. I expect a somewhat usual number of leaders, but a high number of civs.

Keep in mind that Octavian got into politics at a very young age and most of his depictions from the era were carefully doctored to make him seem more handsome and mighty. His last words also indicate that he had a tendency to get a little bit theatrical. The caricature has some basis in reality.
Yes, he did get involved young, but he was also trained as a statesman from birth in one of the most powerful Roman families. I think absent some reason to believe he actually acted this way, there's little reason to portray him so out of control and feeble given what he accomplished (starting at a very young age). And yes, his final words referred to the theatre, but a lot of older dying people, looking back, have a profound sense of humor and irony if they're comfortable with their legacy.
 
I would like to point out that Mundo Perdido was seen in the B Roll as a wonder. So, I sort of think that the Pyramid of the Sun is obsolete and Mundo Perdido is the Mesoamerican wonder, associated with the Maya as an Antiquity civ.
Pyramid of the Sun and Mundo Perdido are totally different cultures. It's like saying the Colosseum represents Greece.
 
Pyramid of the Sun and Mundo Perdido are totally different cultures. It's like saying the Colosseum represents Greece.
I believe he's saying the Pyramid of the Sun may have been replaced by Mundo Perdido in a later build (we know the influencers played a much earlier build than what we were shown), not that they're the same.
 
Mild complaint, I do not like how they did Augustus at all. I mean, we have this:
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But this guy feels like King Joffrey having a tantrum. Maybe this was a lame attempt at humor but it missed.
My guess is that continuing to depict him as this stoic, hyper-masculine sigma male as he has usually been, tends to draw in the types of weirdos who throw a hissfit when you point out that the marble statues of ancient Greece and ancient Rome were originally painted with garish colour schemes not really seen anywhere today outside of drag shows. To which I would ask: why even feature Augustus in the first place? If that certain well has been so poisoned (which I'd argue it is), why even bother?
 
Pyramid of the Sun and Mundo Perdido are totally different cultures. It's like saying the Colosseum represents Greece.
Correct. I'm saying Pyramid of the Sun is probably out of date and Teotihuacans aren't the mesoamerican antiquity culture.

The Maya are the antiquity culture, and their associated wonder is the Mundo Perdido.

(I was wrong about the source. It's not the B Roll, it's the website.)
 
Correct. I'm saying Pyramid of the Sun is probably out of date and Teotihuacans aren't the mesoamerican antiquity culture.

The Maya are the antiquity culture, and their associated wonder is the Mundo Perdido.

(I was wrong about the source. It's not the B Roll, it's the website.)
Has it been said that only wonders from civilizations in the game are buildable? If so I missed that, but people keep acting like that's true.
 
My guess is that continuing to depict him as this stoic, hyper-masculine sigma male as he has usually been, tends to draw in the types of weirdos who throw a hissfit when you point out that the marble statues of ancient Greece and ancient Rome were originally painted with garish colour schemes not really seen anywhere today outside of drag shows. To which I would ask: why even feature Augustus in the first place? If that certain well has been so poisoned (which I'd argue it is), why even bother?

Just roll with his depiction in Civ 5 with the better engine for the graphics. And it's worth the bother because his legacy as a leader is incredible, very few accomplished what he did and most saw their work roll up and die a few generations later.
 
I'm starting to lean that way, as well, the more I think about it. That means 45 civ themes. :love:
1 pre-order exclusive exploration civ and DLCs basically already giving 8 additional civs (instead of 6 or 9) makes me think the number might not be the same for every era (but should be around the same).

The DLCs also give 2 leaders and 4 civs each, so I guess we will at least have double as many civs compared to leaders, so i suppose something like 15-22 leaders and something like 40-50ish civs.
 
Just roll with his depiction in Civ 5 with the better engine for the graphics. And it's worth the bother because his legacy as a leader is incredible, very few accomplished what he did and most saw their work roll up and die a few generations later.
Given the state of the emperorship within a few generations, it's fair to say Augustus's legacy died a few generations later.

I assumed she'd be back as soon as I saw dates as a resource.
"That's the name of the queen!" /ryangeorge
 
Has it been said that only wonders from civilizations in the game are buildable? If so I missed that, but people keep acting like that's true.
I think they do unique wonders because having only world wonders everyone can build limits the amount of wonders you can include because there are only so many wonders you can include and it reduces competition for the wonders.

Tho that means a lot of wonders, if there are both unique wonders and world wonders everyone can build.
 
I think they do unique wonders because having only world wonders everyone can build limits the amount of wonders you can include because there are only so many wonders you can include and it reduces competition for the wonders.

Tho that means a lot of wonders, if there are both unique wonders and world wonders everyone can build.
I don't believe there are any unique wonders. Anyone can build them but it's easier for Egypt to build the Pyramids because they can unlock them earlier in their own unique civics tree. I assume it's the same for all the others.
 
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