Clown Car V: 2020 version!

[onejayhawk]

I sympathize with your plight here, but I mean we were the NAZIs before they emulated us so . . .Look Koch brothers made their literal billions pumping oil out of lands reserved for a race of people our ancestors committed mass genocide and repeated treaty violations against so we could clear them out and settle the land ourselves (lebensbraum).

Not exactly. They made the money supplying pipe, equipment, and transport services to the ones who were pumping.

We did this by our population and politicians being completely self interested morons. And while we are on morons, the eugenics policies that the nazis used to justify their final solution originated here with our protestant highly educated classes. The term moron was popularized during that movement here in the US

So I would argue we've been close to "NAZI" America our entire history. It is on us to keep pulling away from it. But to get deeper though, there does seem to be a human social tendency to gravitate toward these kinds of policies, maybe fixing that would help? egalitarian educational systems. Getting people to see themselves and history for what it is rather than what certain people want them to believe it is would be a good start.

If anything, We have been moving toward authoritarianism. BLM and ANTIFA defy local authority openly. What was once news is now propaganda. Shaming and intimidation have been tools to silence political discussion for a generation. It has become so unbalanced that a call to make the country great is considered offensive. When one party is able to reserve 1st amendment rights for their own use, how far is it to dictatorship?

They are guilty of believing a manufactured 'truth' which was designed to resonate with those people.

That's CNN for you. They used to do news, but it has been a while.

I'm not too sure about that. I believe a substantial portion of those people are being scammed.

NO! Really?

I'm also sure there's a portion of them who simply cannot stand Trump losing and will cheer every trick in the book to dislodge the results, but those can't account for raising 150+ million. Those people will spread missinformation on forums, or go on the street to shout their displeasure. And are simply put deplorable.

Is there anything that CAN account for raising 150 million people, other than cheating.

We have the advantage of not living in a controlled media environment.

It is so wrong that you are serious.

I don't think you can approach this with a "what would I do" attitude. Mind, this is mostly gutfeeling and speculation, based on sparse moments like interviews with Trump supporters, who seem genuine enough, as I roll my eyes thinking: they cannot actually seriously believe this. But that's the effect of a carefully guarded information bubble. And also mind, I'm not infantilizing these people. I'm empathizing with them. I do not believe the majority of those people are aware of Trump's shenanigans.

What I feel is the real problem is the news network strategy of inflating a Republican vs Democrat narrative during a 24 hour news cycle without 24 hours of news to go around. Which of course started with Fox News, and has gradually slid more and more to the ludicrous side. You can trace the looniness right back to that. When Fox called Arizona, that was betrayal, when Tucker Carlson challenged Powell that was betrayal. When Laura Ingram tried to break the news to their viewers they may have to come to grips with a Biden win, she had to cover that message in layers of accolades and gentle let downs

If you feel people are the problem, there's also a case to be made. We, yes we, are too quick to judge and that is partially to blame on the amount of information we have to process on a daily basis. We do have to make snap decisions on what we believe to be fact and false, and not everyone visits forums regularly and knows or even is aware of the importance of fact checking. These people are just these people. And the fact these people are more represented on the right wing is that there's a lot more invested into right wing media.

What right wing media? They have been marginalized to blogs and talk radio.

So yeah, as I said, it's the impression I get. And the impression is that there are a lot of Trump supporters who actually genuinely believe Trump lost unfairly. I also think that Trump is very aware of this and plays exactly into that. Trump is not only a symptom, he and his family also know how to market and create impressions. They've been doing that their entire life.

It is not just Trump supporters. Many Democrats think there was cheating, but they would not change the election result for it.

There is a common misconception that Trump created the movement that elected him. He didn't. He gave them a voice and stood up to the bully, personified by people who use the word deplorable.

So, now the Republicans have become the party of the wage earner and broadened their tent to include minorities. They also have a better claim to the liberalism of Mills and Locke. where to next?

J

 

[Birdjaguar]

...So, now the Republicans have become the party of the wage earner and broadened their tent to include minorities....

J

They are trying for sure. But they have also become the party of bigger lies, more corruption, personality cult, the rich get richer, power over policy, and wanton destruction of government capability.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Did someone hear a bear defecating?

I'm sure I heard a bear defecating.

 

[Estebonrober]

I’ve generally found that, like our beloved poster who shares Jimmy adore videos as gospel on a consistent basis, it is best to avoid video reports of news on almost every level. So if you do take in any video version of news to view with a huge amount of salt. I have a friend who consistently sends me Young Turk and Sam Seder videos and they are objectively better about being based on reality compared to a Shapiro or Dore, but still the bias is obviously palpable.

Another way to view TV news is treat it like radiation. Use the old ALARA (as low as reasonably achievable) practice when taking in this kind of
Information.

 

[Estebonrober]

Did someone hear a bear defecating?

I'm sure I heard a bear defecating.

huge dumps in the middle of the night. The hugest dumps.

 

[Samson]

So, now the Republicans have become the party of the wage earner and broadened their tent to include minorities. They also have a better claim to the liberalism of Mills and Locke. where to next?

I think it is interesting how the right, as exemplified by Trump and BoJo, are actually the ones who are against international free trade, and are both more protectionist that their main rivals now Corbyn has gone.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Is there anything that CAN account for raising 150 million people, other than cheating.

Trump! He motivates people on both sides.

 

[Estebonrober]

Not exactly. They made the money supplying pipe, equipment, and transport services to the ones who were pumping.


If anything, We have been moving toward authoritarianism. BLM and ANTIFA defy local authority openly. What was once news is now propaganda. Shaming and intimidation have been tools to silence political discussion for a generation. It has become so unbalanced that a call to make the country great is considered offensive. When one party is able to reserve 1st amendment rights for their own use, how far is it to dictatorship?


That's CNN for you. They used to do news, but it has been a while.


NO! Really?


Is there anything that CAN account for raising 150 million people, other than cheating.


It is so wrong that you are serious.


What right wing media? They have been marginalized to blogs and talk radio.


It is not just Trump supporters. Many Democrats think there was cheating, but they would not change the election result for it.

There is a common misconception that Trump created the movement that elected him. He didn't. He gave them a voice and stood up to the bully, personified by people who use the word deplorable.

So, now the Republicans have become the party of the wage earner and broadened their tent to include minorities. They also have a better claim to the liberalism of Mills and Locke. where to next?

J

Ok for the reply to me part:

You agree the Koch brothers are symbolic of a practice of lebensbraum perpetuated by the US government to steal lands for white Americans that continues to this day. Got it.

Also shame as a way to shut up stupid bigotry is totally legit and is not and necessarily cannot be authoritarian since it is a claim of morality with no enforcement of the legal systems. Ok not one side uses the police state to shut down opposition and it has showed it’s hatred proudly this year.

for the rest of it:

It needs to be pointed out that right wing propaganda dominates social media. Facebook has far more click for Shapiro and giovani? Idr, then any left winger. Fox News (this is far right wing propaganda most of the day by any global or historic measure) is by far number one on TV. Right wing talk radio is literally the only talk radio minus sports still around.

So idk WTH you think you are talking about, my guess is the stupid that these outlets spread like a plague has infected your mind and twisted it to believe a bunch of demonstrably false bullfeathers.

Touting Locke and Mills as solutions to 21 (or 20tj for that matter) century problems is exactly what is wrong with GOP economic talking points. We don’t live in an agrarian society you dolts.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Is there anything that CAN account for raising 150 million people, other than cheating.

Attorney General Bill Barr just announced that they have concluded their DOJ investigation and according to their investigation, there is no evidence of vote fraud that would change the result of the election.

As a reminder, Bill Barr has been a Trump loyalist that has repeatedly bent over backwards to accommodate Trump.

 

[Gori the Grey]

He may only have come to that conclusion, though, because there was no fraud.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

but those can't account for raising 150+ million.

Dollar from the "Donate for democracy and stop the steal" scam of course.

Americans aren't that dumb that half of them fell for it.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Attorney General Bill Barr just announced that they have concluded their DOJ investigation and according to their investigation, there is no evidence of vote fraud that would change the result of the election.

As a reminder, Bill Barr has been a Trump loyalist that has repeatedly bent over backwards to accommodate Trump.

He obviously sold his soul to Soros!

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Attorney General Bill Barr is now part of the Lamestream media election fraud cover up conspiracy theory. This thing is huge!

I bet everyone but Trump is in on it!

 

[Sommerswerd]

Massive Cheeting

 

[Gori the Grey]

Attorney General Bill Barr is now part of the Lamestream media election fraud cover up conspiracy theory.

Trump's legal team's statement pretty much says this.

 

[Sommerswerd]

He obviously sold his soul to Soros!

Massive Cheeting

Attorney General Bill Barr is now part of the Lamestream media election fraud cover up conspiracy theory. This thing is huge! I bet everyone but Trump is in on it!

Trump is in on it too! If he ever concedes they will declare him a sellout deep state shill for the liberal media.

Trump's legal team's statement pretty much says this.

So Much Massive Cheeting

 

[Samson]

Attorney General Bill Barr just announced that they have concluded their DOJ investigation and according to their investigation, there is no evidence of vote fraud that would change the result of the election.

As a reminder, Bill Barr has been a Trump loyalist that has repeatedly bent over backwards to accommodate Trump.

He is currently in the white house, and media seems to think he will be sacked within 20 minutes.

 

[Sommerswerd]

He is currently in the white house, and media seems to think he will be sacked within 20 minutes.

Yeah that statement was essentially a public resignation letter. He's done anyway since an incoming POTUS always selects a new AG. This way he can be fired and spend Christmas in peace with his family instead of wasting time propping up Trump's conspiracy theories.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Yep, Breitbart comments confirms. He has been paid off/blackmailed/has always been deep state/first to be fired in Trumps second term/he's a traitor/firing squad.

You know, the usual level headed analysis of the situation that can be found in that neck of the woods.

 

[Lexicus]

Betting pool on whether onejayhawk ever addresses Barr's comments or just ignores them?