Columbia University Sued for Aiding Mattress Girl

[Narz]

If you've kept up even remotely with my musical taste from 2009-now I was expecting you to mention Linkin Park and THEN I laugh that they probably make more in a week than you do in a year, but instead you mention a band that hasn't been relevant to the music scene since 2008.

If it makes you feel any better I know a girl still obsessed with Coldplay. She downloaded pics of Guy Berryman when I let her use my computer.

 

[caketastydelish]

If it makes you feel any better I know a girl still obsessed with Coldplay. She downloaded pics of Guy Berryman when I let her use my computer.

Lol, it's literally been 6 years since they've done anything decent. Why anyone would still follow Coldplay is beyond me.

 

[Oerdin]

Why was she not punished for violating the university's nondisclosure policy?

 

[JollyRoger]

Rumor is that she will be prosecuted for tearing the tags off her mattress.

 

[Samson]

Lol, it's literally been 6 years since they've done anything decent. Why anyone would still follow Coldplay is beyond me.

What a strange way to judge what music one should listen to. I have listen to a lot of the beetles, and it has been longer than that since they did anything decent. Some people still quite rate Mozart and it has been longer for him.

 

[Borachio]

Is it her own mattress, though? Or did she filch it from a furnished room she rents?

And aren't you supposed to have a licence for carrying a mattress around in a public place? There's surely some course you can go on to get certificated for doing such a thing.

I mean, turn round suddenly, when carrying a mattress about, and you could have someone's eye out, for instance.

 

[gay_Aleks]

Suing the girl for taking out the mattress without consent to cover up for the mess of the university would be the most hilarious and yet most depressing thing ever.

 

[Yeekim]

The Daily Beast article supports Paul's position (friendly texts after the alleged rape, among other inconsistencies).

Yeah.

"you are obviously the best"
"I want to snuggle with you"
"I also love you"

all definitely sound like she had been recently raped.

People like this make me hope Karma is real.

 

[Traitorfish]

Rapists sending "affectionate" texts to their victims is actually pretty common. Mixture of obfuscation and rationalisation.

I'd caution against taking expressions of benign intent as proof of innocence- but, I remember, I'm talking to the guy who thinks that Estonian SS volunteers should be celebrated because they weren't "really" Nazis, so I wouldn't expect the advice to take.

 

[warpus]

So was this guy charged with rape or what? Has he paid for his crimes?

It does seem like he might have a case in terms of the "witch hunt" levied against him, and the university not doing too much to put an end to it. But that's just at a first glance. I have no idea what sort of legal obligations the university is supposed to have in this case.

I support the girl's performance art/whatever it was, but I don't support his name being dragged through the mud.. well, unless he was convinced by a court of law. Then by all means..

 

[Triewd]

The texts where sent by her to him....some friendly ones even AFTER the supposed rape

 

[Hygro]

The texts where sent by her to him....some friendly ones even AFTER the supposed rape

It's common for women, less common for men, to try to soothe hostile people by communicating with them in a friendly way. It's not evidence that something did not transpire.

 

[Wolfbeckett]

So was this guy charged with rape or what? Has he paid for his crimes?

It does seem like he might have a case in terms of the "witch hunt" levied against him, and the university not doing too much to put an end to it. But that's just at a first glance. I have no idea what sort of legal obligations the university is supposed to have in this case.

I support the girl's performance art/whatever it was, but I don't support his name being dragged through the mud.. well, unless he was convinced by a court of law. Then by all means..

He was never legally charged, because the accuser thought it would be too draining to go to court, or something. He was investigated by the college and had hearings and such, and they found no evidence of wrongdoing. I would not necessarily discount her story for that reason though, college rape investigations often range from "acceptable" to "downright awful", I don't know this college's system so it may not have been what you'd call a "fair trial". I also wouldn't rush to vilify the guy though. All of it combined... the college saying he didn't do it, the accuser refusing to file proper legal charges, the texts afterwards, her apparently not reporting anything for months... any of these can be explained without her having to be a liar, but all of it combined seems fishy. That's why I'm personally reserving judgement and not taking a side as to whether or not any crime happened.

 

[caketastydelish]

It's common for women, less common for men, to try to soothe hostile people by communicating with them in a friendly way. It's not evidence that something did not transpire.

Actually raping someone is quite beyond 'hostile person' though!

 

[Leonel]

The guy is German national? This is what happens when we open up our campuses to all that diversity nonsense.

Things started going down hill when those Norwegians came here. I say we down ourselves a bottle of Jack Daniels and pound the first 'Weegie' we see!

 

[Narz]

And aren't you supposed to have a licence for carrying a mattress around in a public place?

Seems kind of disgusting if you think about it. Whether or not the sex was consensual or not who wants someone's screw-bed being dragged all around the hallways.

 

[Yeekim]

Rapists sending "affectionate" texts to their victims is actually pretty common. Mixture of obfuscation and rationalisation.

I'd caution against taking expressions of benign intent as proof of innocence- but, I remember, I'm talking to the guy who thinks that Estonian SS volunteers should be celebrated because they weren't "really" Nazis, so I wouldn't expect the advice to take.

What Triewd said. I'd caution against rushing to Godwin the argument before getting a look what it's actually about, but I'll keep my expectations down as well.

The texts where sent by her to him....some friendly ones even AFTER the supposed rape

All of the ones I quoted (above and below) were sent after.

It's common for women, less common for men, to try to soothe hostile people by communicating with them in a friendly way. It's not evidence that something did not transpire.

Yeah... when being confronted by them, I imagine. She actively sought contact with him.

wanna hang out a little bit before meeting tonight?
whatever I wanna see youoyuouou
I love you. Where are you?

Hell, just see for yourself.
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1513860-150130-young-columbia.html#document/p1

 

[Borachio]

Well, it's a funny story altogether.

What have we got here then?

One scenario:
A guy rapes a girl (possibly date rape, we just don't know for sure). She carries a mattress round with her as a protest. Meanwhile (allegedly) sending him affectionate text messages. Could be she didn't, but if she did it might mean Stockholm syndrome, or something.

Another scenario:
A guy doesn't rape a girl. She carries a mattress round with her as a protest against a rape that didn't happen. Meanwhile (allegedly) sending him affectionate text messages. Could be she didn't, but if she did she's one mixed up person; and probably eminently set up for a long and successful career in either the art world or the psychiatric world.

 

[Yeekim]

Meanwhile (allegedly) sending him affectionate text messages.

She only raised the allegation (and started mattress-dragging) after several months had passed. Messages are from the interim period.

 

[Borachio]

OK. It's still very strange, altogether. Why send him affectionate text messages if she'd been raped? And why pull a mattress about if she hadn't been?

Maybe she was raped but didn't realize it till months later? Or maybe she couldn't face the enormity of having been raped until months later?