Comparison between Empires in Early Middle Ages

[sophie]

It's a bit weird to talk about the Renaissance when talking about a country that didn't participate. But then again, it's also a bit weird to apply the eurocentric term "Middle Ages" to the Tang or the Abbasids.

I missed the part where it says Early Middle Ages. So I'll nominate the Emirate of Cordoba and the Khazar Empire instead.

Renaissance is such a silly term to use anyway.

 

[Leoreth]

I don't know what this thread is about, but I nominate the Bulgarian Empire simply because they haven't been mentioned yet

 

[Caseyboy97]

Wessex Hands down

That or The Irish Kindom.

 

[ParkCungHee]

That or The Irish Kindom.

The what now?

 

[Caseyboy97]

I must be mistaken But I read somewhere that was kingdom in the middle ages that existed in Ireland

 

[Lord Baal]

I must be mistaken But I read somewhere that was kingdom in the middle ages that existed in Ireland

That map is pretty inaccurate in places, yet stunningly accurate in others. What gives?

 

[LightSpectra]

That map is pretty inaccurate in places, yet stunningly accurate in others. What gives?

My guess is that a Bulgarian made this map, since its borders are hilariously inflated.

 

[Kawzmo191]

I must be mistaken But I read somewhere that was kingdom in the middle ages that existed in Ireland

What is Fraxinelum there in southern France? My google searches have run dry

 

[LightSpectra]

What is Fraxinelum there in southern France? My google searches have run dry

What is... what? You mean Bordeaux?

Edit: Oh, I see what you're looking at. Fraxinetum was part of the County of Provence, which the map indicates was all part of a homogenous "Burgundy", which is another inaccuracy.

 

[Lord Baal]

What is... what? You mean Bordeaux?

No, there's an enclave in Burgundy called Fraxinelum, near Nice. Looks roughly like Monaco to me. Never heard of it before.

Even worse than Bulgaria's apparent eating disorder - it has swallowed Serbia, among other things - is Venetia's skeletal remains.

 

[LightSpectra]

Even worse than Bulgaria's apparent eating disorder - it has swallowed Serbia, among other things - is Venetia's skeletal remains.

Actually, I think Venice's borders are too large on this map. It's too small for me to see for certain but it looks to me as if Venice's borders enrapture Rovigo, which was not part of Venice during the 11th century,

 

[ParkCungHee]

I must be mistaken But I read somewhere that was kingdom in the middle ages that existed in Ireland

That is correct, more then a dozen times over, there was a kingdom in Ireland.

 

[Dachs]

My guess is that a Bulgarian made this map, since its borders are hilariously inflated.

No, Bulgaria's more or less right for the year 1000. Samuil Kometopoulos had quite the empire for a few years. I made a map of the Byzantine area for Kraznaya when he was thinking about modding a Year 1000 NES (still bitter that he decided not to), and here it is - remarkably similar to the depicted Bulgaria in that map.

Of course, in 1001 Basileios II launched a campaign that divested Samuil of a third of his territory (the Paristrion part). And over the next 17 years - mostly because Byzantine operations were deliberately limited by the Emperor (there are several theories about this; it used to be popular to claim that Basileios had a cease-fire with Samuil, but that's been basically disproven, and now it seems like the Emperor was limiting offensive operations to cut down on troop costs and to reduce the scope for political opponents to win military glory) - the Byzantines slowly ground down Samuil's state until it ceased to exist.

And it should be mentioned that the empire of the Kometopouloi had very little to do with the Bulgarian state that was destroyed by Ioannes Tzimiskes - Samuil briefly controlled a member of the old Bulgarian imperial family, but everything rested on his own power, and he soon seized the title for himself. It might be best not to call it Bulgaria at all.

So it's misleading in the same sense that a map of the Roman Empire in 117 is misleading - that is to say, it isn't, and it's certainly not factually wrong, but it doesn't give you a very good idea of what the borders of the Bulgarian Empire looked like in general.

 

[LightSpectra]

The map I was using myself was labeled "AD 1001."

So... whoops.

 

[Caseyboy97]

That is correct, more then a dozen times over, there was a kingdom in Ireland.

Im Sensing the sarcasm.

I was talking about the Gaelic kingdom that existed Prior to the Norman invasion of 1169-72

 

[Dachs]

Im Sensing the sarcasm.

I was talking about the Gaelic kingdom that existed Prior to the Norman invasion of 1169-72

His point is that there wasn't one "Gaelic kingdom". There were a bunch of them.

In related news, want to hear a good joke? "Irish unity".

 

[Caseyboy97]

Munster was the name of the Kingdom I was Referencing.

 

[Lone Wolf]

The map you posted labels Ireland as consisting of Irish kingdoms.

 

[W|M]

Back on topic, I find that Denmark was the best.

 

[Huayna Capac357]

Tang Dynasty

Tang Taizong was a pretty cool guy.