The Putins of the EU

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MOSCOW – One of the saddest ironies of this year’s commemoration of the 25th anniversary of the collapse of the Soviet Union is that Hungary and Poland, always the most restless of the Soviet empire’s captured nations, are now led by men mimicking Russian President Vladimir Putin’s governing style. They, too, are hollowing out independent democratic institutions and suppressing citizens’ fundamental freedoms. As the old saying goes, we become what we hate.
After the fall of communism, Poland and Hungary declared that they were Eastern European countries no more. Instead, they were part of Central Europe – Europa Srodkowa, the Poles called it – or even of Western Europe, on par with Austria. Today, however, they are embracing Putin-style authoritarianism, to the point that the European Union may impose sanctions against them. Such reprimands are fully deserved.
Poland, now ostensibly led by President Andrzej Duda, is really controlled by former Prime Minister Jarosław Kaczyński, Chairman of the right-wing Law and Justice (PiS) party. Kaczyński is the twin brother of the late President Lech Kaczyński, who died in a plane crash near Smolensk, Russia, in 2010, on his way to commemorate the victims of the Katyn massacre by the Soviets in 1940. Though the crash was deemed accidental, PiS calls it the result of a Kremlin conspiracy – a paranoid charge that is all the more bizarre given Kaczyński’s apparent determination to emulate Putin’s behavior.
Both Kaczyński and Putin are certainly contemptuous of the rule of law. In Russia, the manipulation of trials of the regime’s perceived enemies is among the Kremlin’s favorite tactics. These supposed enemies have included former Yukos Oil Company Chairman Mikhail Khodorkovsky, who doubted Putin’s fitness to be president; the anti-corruption lawyer Alexei Navalny, who was investigating Putin’s wealth; and the punk rock group Pussy Riot, who mocked the Russian Orthodox Church, a core constituency for Putin. Just last week, in a notorious show trial, the Ukrainian helicopter pilot Nadiya Savchenko was handed a 22-year prison sentence on falsified evidence that she was involved in the killing of two Russian journalists during the separatist conflict in eastern Ukraine.
Poland’s government, for its part, has canceled the appointment of three new Constitutional Court justices installed by the previous government, led by the Civic Platform. Moreover, it has neutered the Court by barring the justices from questioning the constitutionality of legislation or probing executive decisions without parliamentary approval. And exploiting a quirk of Poland’s legal system, the authorities are refusing to publish some Constitutional Court decisions, a move that essentially nullifies the Court’s powers, because unpublished decisions do not officially have the status of law.
The Polish government is also taking cues from the Kremlin in its response to the civic protest movement that has emerged in response to such actions. Not only has Poland’s government denounced the movement as anti-patriotic and guided by foreign interests; a leader of that movement, the computer specialist Mateusz Kijowski, has come under personal fire from Kaczyński.
The media is another area where Kaczyński is building a Kremlin on the Vistula. In Russia in the 2000s, Putin’s government stripped independent networks such as NTV and ORT (later Channel One) from their media-mogul owners Vladimir Gusinsky and the late Boris Berezovsky, both of whom Putin viewed as enemies. Poland’s new administration recently passed similar laws, enabling, for example, the government to appoint the managers of television stations, thereby ensuring broadcasters’ political fealty.
The situation is no better in Hungary, where Viktor Orbán has been pushing his country toward illiberalism since 2010, when he began his second stint as the country’s prime minister. In fact, he set to work almost immediately changing the constitution to consolidate the power of his Fidesz party and limit the independence of the constitutional court.
Furthermore, like Putin and Kaczyński, Orbán has asserted control over the media, with new legislation empowering it to dictate content and impose sanctions on media outlets, as well as to grant broadcast licenses to favored stations. These laws also ensure preference for Fidesz’s campaign advertising, including by restricting the location of opposition billboards and messages by NGOs. The slogan “Only Fidesz!”, accompanied by the image of a grinning Orbán, are now plastered on 15-foot-high struts across the country.
Of course, “father of the nation” worship is nothing new in countries with illiberal governments. Similar billboards, emblazoned with portraits of leaders from Vladimir Lenin to Leonid Brezhnev, once lined the roads of the Soviet Union. Likewise, as one observer pointed out, in Romania in the 1980s, roads were lined with signs extolling the virtues of communist strongman Nicolae Ceaușescu. Though Putin’s portraits are absent from Russian roads today, incessant footage of him on national television is not. And images of Stalin, the spiritual godfather of Putin’s regime, do line the roads, if sporadically.
In Putin’s early days in power, he proposed a regime based on “sovereign democracy,” claiming that Russia needed a “special system” to protect itself from its many enemies, domestic and foreign. Kaczyński and Orbán subscribe to the same notion, completely missing, apparently, the irony in the use of “sovereign” – a term typically applied to a monarch, not a democratic leader. Indeed, what Putin created, and what Kaczyński and Orbán are emulating, is more like a “sovereign dictatorship.”
For the EU, handling Russia, which has lately positioned itself as the West’s nemesis, would be hard enough. Now it has to address the anti-democratic Putin emulators within its own ranks, at a time when European unity is being undermined at every turn. (The upcoming British referendum on EU membership is one important example.) The question is whether the EU will follow through on its threats to impose political and economic sanctions on Poland and Hungary, or continue, for the sake of unity, to avoid acting against nascent illiberal regimes in countries that were once beacons of post-Soviet hope.
https://www.project-syndicate.org/c...ary-and-poland-by-nina-l--khrushcheva-2016-03

Whats going on in the EU? I had no idea of countries sliding in an undemocratic direction? I thought the EU brought stability.
 
I had no idea of countries sliding in an undemocratic direction?
Well Poland and Hungary turned authoritarian before WWII on their own, then were authoritarian for decades under the Soviet thumb and now are turning again authoritarian. I guess the people weren't as sold to Western ideals as was thought. And both countries have pretty strong nationalistic tendencies for this day and age. Poland because it seems to deal with the fact that it was constantly occupied with ideas of grandeur, Hungary because people are bitter that Hungary lost of a lot land after WWI (and WWII? Not sure).
If a country wants to go a certain way, there isn't really anything the EU can do other than to further antagonize this country. People certainly are nowhere sold to the idea that the EU should tell anyone what to do.
 
It is an insult to compare Putin to party leaders in Hungary ;)

Dose this sound Familiar ?
Looks like a combination of corruption and anti immigrant sentiment has seen a swing to the right.

Twenty-seven years since the collapse of communism, Poland has failed to create impartial state institutions, enabling successive governments to install loyalists in top positions. But many Poles fear Law and Justice is going further.

Much of the anger has been directed at the president for signing successive controversial laws into effect

has almost four times the population of Hungary and has grown into a major EU player, with a large, growing economy and an important voice in the confrontation with Russia

https://news.vice.com/article/polands-right-wing-government-scares-europe-by-going-after-the-media
 
If a country wants to go a certain way, there isn't really anything the EU can do other than to further antagonize this country.

It will be roughly the European equivalent of the American slavery debate.
 
Yeah, Poland is not turning authoritarian

Why not? Because of the EU? Do you think HungaryHungary is turning authoritarian?
 
Putinisation is kind of stabilisation :dunno:

Not really. Today's Russia is hardly a stable country, nor is its neighbour Ukraine, or the Caucasus. To argue that Putin has brought stability is to ignore the effects of Putin being in power: the only stability is in Mr Putin's position - which only holds for as long Mr Putin stays in that position.
 
Authoritarian and democracy are not mutually exclusive. Though they do come into conflict. And they most certainly do in Hungary and as of late in Poland.
That usually happens in two key ways - erosion of the rule of law and erosion of diversity in political media.
As I recall, Hungary is actively bullying outlets of political coverage it does not like. Meanwhile Poland seems to try to turn the national news into a propaganda tool and free itself from the constraints of the constitution by weakening the supreme court.
 
Not really. Today's Russia is hardly a stable country, nor is its neighbour Ukraine, or the Caucasus. To argue that Putin has brought stability is to ignore the effects of Putin being in power: the only stability is in Mr Putin's position - which only holds for as long Mr Putin stays in that position.

Today is your day if you think people will believe that particular piece of propaganda you're echoing here.

Regarding the quoted OP, "liberalism" seems to be now a codeword meaning that a country's government and institutions should be available for sale to the highest bidder, be it local or foreign. In the manner of the old polish Sejm. That an elected government actually moves to carry out the program with witch it was elected is "illiberal".

Hell, I may disagree with them. But they were elected and the opposition there is trying to nullify that by manipulating other institutions to block the government. The government had the balls to fight back on the same terms? Good for them. Now let the most politically skilled ones win.
 
Today is your day if you think people will believe that particular piece of propaganda you're echoing here.

You seem to have a problem with my factual statements, but fail to disprove any. Perhaps you are confusing corruption and loss of civil rights with 'stability'?

Regarding the quoted OP, "liberalism" seems to be now a codeword meaning that a country's government and institutions should be available for sale to the highest bidder, be it local or foreign.

Not at all. Check the link below.

In the manner of the old polish Sejm. That an elected government actually moves to carry out the program with witch it was elected is "illiberal".

Hell, I may disagree with them. But they were elected and the opposition there is trying to nullify that by manipulating other institutions to block the government.

That's not really the current problem with Poland at all. Filling administrative and semi-state agency positions with political cronies is. In Russia this is called 'guided democracy'. Which is why Putin is regarded as an example of authoritarianism. To be true, there still is democracy in Russia, but it has been restricted over the past decades. And part of the process has been to fill administrative and semi-state agencies with Putin's cronies. These will likely still be there when Putin has gone, but for stability it makes not.

It doesn't

EU is all about serving the rich and undermining democracy

It has neo-liberalism in it's constitution

That's three incorrect statements in a row. For one, democracy has only been on the increase in the EU. (Accountability of the EU executive and anti-EU parties being elected being a case in point.) Secondly, neoliberalism postdates the EU.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism
 
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