beorn
Prince
Dead mothers are not implemented. Dribbling baboons are.
Crusader Kings 2
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Zack
99% hot gas
Started as a Polish Duke. First ruler died as King of Poland and Hungary.
I revolted and gained my independence while my liege stupidly declared a Holy War on one of the Pagan nations (bringing down ALL the Pagans on him), so he was already broken and fighting off Pagans. During my fight for independence, I captured the king in battle, giving me 100 warscore. After the war was over, I executed King Boleslaw - a capable ruler - giving the realm over to his young son. All of his vassals hated him. Meanwhile, I settled down for a while, built up my income with Castle Villages and Towns, successfully plotted to revoke one of my vassal's counties so I held all of the counties in my realm, then started planning the takeover of Poland.
A few of the king's vassals started a war to institute Elective Monarchy in Poland, and I provided financial support for their cause (couldn't join the war for whatever reason). That war took forever, but when it finally ended I had the most nominations for heir to the Kingdom of Poland. I successfully plotted to kill the king... but the Kingdom went to his brother instead of me (and they had autonomous vassals, so it couldn't have been crown laws disallowing titles to pass outside of realm).
Even though I was trading the top heir spot with the other brother, I decided I had to resort to more drastic measures. I saved up my money (had more income than the king, even though he had twice as many holdings as me... good construction FTW) so I could afford good mercenaries and started preparing for an invasion.
The Pope liked me, and after I gave him a little gold he freaking loved me, so I used the invasion CB for Poland, which was weak after its really long civil war about elective monarchy and another really long war of the Bohemian king trying to put Boleslaw's sister on the throne. I called in my Swedish allies to help, and the war quickly turned into mostly Swedish and mercenary troops doing all the work. After occupying all of Poland, I enforced demands, and every single holding in Poland became mine. I made new vassals in all the bishoprics and cities, then gave a couple counties and duchies to my heir to get under the limit.
Owning practically all of Poland gave me about 27 gold per month after the "Recently Conquered" modifier wore off. After waiting almost ten years for the recently conquered modifier to wear off and levies to refill, I asked the 80-something year old Pope for permission to invade Hungary. It was granted, and I went on to hire a buttload of mercs, call in Denmark, and curb-stomp Hungary with ease. After occupying all of Hungary's provinces, I enforced demands and installed new vassals in all the holdings, giving only one county to each vassal.
Then Zachary the Conqueror died shortly thereafter, a legend.
I revolted and gained my independence while my liege stupidly declared a Holy War on one of the Pagan nations (bringing down ALL the Pagans on him), so he was already broken and fighting off Pagans. During my fight for independence, I captured the king in battle, giving me 100 warscore. After the war was over, I executed King Boleslaw - a capable ruler - giving the realm over to his young son. All of his vassals hated him. Meanwhile, I settled down for a while, built up my income with Castle Villages and Towns, successfully plotted to revoke one of my vassal's counties so I held all of the counties in my realm, then started planning the takeover of Poland.
A few of the king's vassals started a war to institute Elective Monarchy in Poland, and I provided financial support for their cause (couldn't join the war for whatever reason). That war took forever, but when it finally ended I had the most nominations for heir to the Kingdom of Poland. I successfully plotted to kill the king... but the Kingdom went to his brother instead of me (and they had autonomous vassals, so it couldn't have been crown laws disallowing titles to pass outside of realm).
Even though I was trading the top heir spot with the other brother, I decided I had to resort to more drastic measures. I saved up my money (had more income than the king, even though he had twice as many holdings as me... good construction FTW) so I could afford good mercenaries and started preparing for an invasion. The Pope liked me, and after I gave him a little gold he freaking loved me, so I used the invasion CB for Poland, which was weak after its really long civil war about elective monarchy and another really long war of the Bohemian king trying to put Boleslaw's sister on the throne. I called in my Swedish allies to help, and the war quickly turned into mostly Swedish and mercenary troops doing all the work. After occupying all of Poland, I enforced demands, and every single holding in Poland became mine. I made new vassals in all the bishoprics and cities, then gave a couple counties and duchies to my heir to get under the limit.
Owning practically all of Poland gave me about 27 gold per month after the "Recently Conquered" modifier wore off. After waiting almost ten years for the recently conquered modifier to wear off and levies to refill, I asked the 80-something year old Pope for permission to invade Hungary. It was granted, and I went on to hire a buttload of mercs, call in Denmark, and curb-stomp Hungary with ease. After occupying all of Hungary's provinces, I enforced demands and installed new vassals in all the holdings, giving only one county to each vassal.
Then Zachary the Conqueror died shortly thereafter, a legend.
Samez
Emperor
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My first game as Ireland ended in 1215 after a series of tragic events.
Everything went well as I unified Ireland and conquered Wales and parts of Brittany.
King Robert I and Pieter both participated in Crusades for Egypt (both failed as the mayor powers all struggled with internal riots.
King Pieter the Wise had plenty of children but only one son. Even though being married for 12 years with the (fertile) princess of Scotland the son never had any children before he died at the age of 28 due to a depression. Shortly after that King Pieter got the unable trait and the realm was governed by a Patron untill he died. Pieter's daughter Áine, who was married to the King of England succeded him but the whole empire started to riot after realizing they would become part of England due to succession.
Thus ended the great story of my game as King of Ireland and Wales.
Everything went well as I unified Ireland and conquered Wales and parts of Brittany.
King Robert I and Pieter both participated in Crusades for Egypt (both failed as the mayor powers all struggled with internal riots.
King Pieter the Wise had plenty of children but only one son. Even though being married for 12 years with the (fertile) princess of Scotland the son never had any children before he died at the age of 28 due to a depression. Shortly after that King Pieter got the unable trait and the realm was governed by a Patron untill he died. Pieter's daughter Áine, who was married to the King of England succeded him but the whole empire started to riot after realizing they would become part of England due to succession.
Thus ended the great story of my game as King of Ireland and Wales.
madviking
north american scum
I manage to beat Harold Godwinson and Duke William the Bastard as Harald Hardrada! ![[party]](/images/smilies/partytime.gif "Party [party]")
Though there is no way in hell I want to domesticate all those goddamn vassals.
Though there is no way in hell I want to domesticate all those goddamn vassals.
salty mud
Deity
I manage to beat Harold Godwinson and Duke William the Bastard as Harald Hardrada!
Though there is no way in hell I want to domesticate all those goddamn vassals.
I've seen the AI do that once.
Congratulations though! It's certainly no easy feat; enjoy your new lands.
madviking
north american scum
I stopped playing when I saw all of my goddamn Saxon vassals were at 60% revolt risk.
And plus the game runs as slow as molasses on my computer. So it took me about thirty to forty-five minutes to win.
I can't play at the moment because of all the CTDs. 1.05 has introduced a lot of cool content but the bugs are something I could without.
salty mud
Deity
Can someone tell me why my first born son is no longer heir, but the most recently born child is? He was heir for 27 years until his younger brother was born, but was suddenly disinherited.
I'm using primogeniture succession, so the first born should inherit all.
mayor
Heart & Mind
Did someone rebel in order to get him on the throne?
salty mud
Deity
Both negative. Anyway, the game rectified itself and I now have the proper heir again... the game must have went full retardd for a brief period.
madviking
north american scum
I don't think your realm succession laws apply, necessarily, to your vassals...
madviking
north american scum
Galicia -> Portugual -> MegaPortugal
This game is weird. There are no traces of the English kingdom remaining. Harald Hardrada won the three-way mess, but the crown of England left Norway. Then the king of France married the ruling Queen of England, resulting in France inheriting England.
The biggest battle (in terms of casualties) I've been a part of.
MegaPortugalTM
Kinda visible in the last pic, but the HRE was conquered almost all of north Africa from their border with me in Morocco up to and including the Nile delta.
This game is weird. There are no traces of the English kingdom remaining. Harald Hardrada won the three-way mess, but the crown of England left Norway. Then the king of France married the ruling Queen of England, resulting in France inheriting England.
The biggest battle (in terms of casualties) I've been a part of.
MegaPortugalTM
Kinda visible in the last pic, but the HRE was conquered almost all of north Africa from their border with me in Morocco up to and including the Nile delta.
I've had this happen to me, and I found the cause was I had married my heir to a duchess who had free investiture, and decided to make my heir the appointed successor to a bishopric. She's allowed to do that because her primary heir is the son, but it is seriously a problem on your end. Fortunately, the Pope convinced her that he would be a better judge of successors, so the problem resolved itself.
They don't! It's messed with my plans more than once!
salty mud
Deity
It's great. But don't take my word for it, get the demo and see for yourself.
This game and AGEod-engine games have been dominating my limited free time since January. The CK mechanics take a little time to get used to from something like EU, since you are playing a family and not a country, but it's well worth the effort. Give the demo a try!
Yeah, it takes a little while to adapt to the map-mode. I use the colored region map like the screenshots in this thread, but there is also a "direct vassal" mapmode I use from time-to-time. That will show you the breakdown of what vassal controls what.
Also, training your eyes to see the internal borders and shields (they are different for each level, count -> duke -> king -> emperor) takes a little effort. Eventually, though, you can collect a few duchies for your main demesne and consolidate your vassals into major dukes, so your reorganization of your chaotic kingdom gives you familiarity with it.
If you mouse-over the vassal opinion of you, it will tell you everything that affects your relations. Giving titles and awards to vassals that dislike you doesn't cause a jealousy penalty as far as I'm aware.
There are a few big things that affect your relations with vassals. Your king's traits are paramount here; you generally get +10 for the positive traits like just, kind, charitable, brave, etc. and -10 for the negative traits like cruel, craven, deceitful, or wroth. Some of those negative traits, though, do give good stat bonuses (wroth gives +3 martial, which is nothing to sneer at; craven, on the other hand, just subtracts points). Sharing the same trait gives a small bonus, except for ambitious because they butt heads too much. If your vassals have the content trait, there is a +50 relations boost, and ambitious vassals have a -50 penalty. Your diplomacy score is also added to the relations bonus, so having a 20 diplomacy score gives you a +20 bonus. Finally, keep the size of your demesne reasonable--there's a -10 penalty for every point you exceed your demesne size, and an additional penalty if you have more than 3 duchies as a king/emperor (they will feel you are too powerful). Your prestige will give a bonus to your royal and mayoral vassal relations and your piety gives a bonus for your church relations (I think its 100 points -> +1 bonus). Finally, your crown laws can affect vassal relations--vassals like weaker elective and gavelkind laws over primogeniture, and adjusting your taxes or levies can improve or hurt relations.
Those extra options in the intrigue screen, like holding a grand tournament or a winter feast, can improve vassal relations through events, as can other random events. I try to use these first, then honorary titles second, my chancellor to get a +25 event bonus third, and straight-up money bribes fourth. I hate giving them land--because if they aren't satisfied, then they have more resources to rebel against me with. Give me 2-3 weak single-duchy dukes than a double-duke or a triple-duke. That guy can be dangerous, especially if his kid is ambitious (he dies, so the granted land bonus disappears, and simultaneously the ambitious kid has a -50 penalty--instant revolt).
There are a few big things that affect your relations with vassals. Your king's traits are paramount here; you generally get +10 for the positive traits like just, kind, charitable, brave, etc. and -10 for the negative traits like cruel, craven, deceitful, or wroth. Some of those negative traits, though, do give good stat bonuses (wroth gives +3 martial, which is nothing to sneer at; craven, on the other hand, just subtracts points). Sharing the same trait gives a small bonus, except for ambitious because they butt heads too much. If your vassals have the content trait, there is a +50 relations boost, and ambitious vassals have a -50 penalty. Your diplomacy score is also added to the relations bonus, so having a 20 diplomacy score gives you a +20 bonus. Finally, keep the size of your demesne reasonable--there's a -10 penalty for every point you exceed your demesne size, and an additional penalty if you have more than 3 duchies as a king/emperor (they will feel you are too powerful). Your prestige will give a bonus to your royal and mayoral vassal relations and your piety gives a bonus for your church relations (I think its 100 points -> +1 bonus). Finally, your crown laws can affect vassal relations--vassals like weaker elective and gavelkind laws over primogeniture, and adjusting your taxes or levies can improve or hurt relations.
Those extra options in the intrigue screen, like holding a grand tournament or a winter feast, can improve vassal relations through events, as can other random events. I try to use these first, then honorary titles second, my chancellor to get a +25 event bonus third, and straight-up money bribes fourth. I hate giving them land--because if they aren't satisfied, then they have more resources to rebel against me with. Give me 2-3 weak single-duchy dukes than a double-duke or a triple-duke. That guy can be dangerous, especially if his kid is ambitious (he dies, so the granted land bonus disappears, and simultaneously the ambitious kid has a -50 penalty--instant revolt).
salty mud
Deity
Oh yes... you will learn to hate ambitious characters.
Oh yes... you will learn to hate ambitious characters.
If he's a weak duke, I'll make him the court jester, just to make him revolt faster so I can imprison him and take his titles.
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