Crusader Kings 2

If he's a weak duke, I'll make him the court jester, just to make him revolt faster so I can imprison him and take his titles. :D

On the other hand, if he has multiple duchies and a sizeable amount of gold, making him a court jester may well be a mistake you will rue.
 
On the other hand, if he has multiple duchies and a sizeable amount of gold, making him a court jester may well be a mistake you will rue.

I've never been able to keep an ambitious ruler down. No matter what, they revolt. Sometimes, within 1 week of taking their thrones. I won't even notice my previously loyal duke had died until the sudden out-of-the-blue revolution.

I have no dukes with more than 2 duchies in my current game, and I intend to keep it that way.
 
Well then I think I might pass. Defining all relationships based on a single parameter which goes from -100 to +100 seems a little shallow, especially considering how much there is to the rest of the game. There should really be another one of how much they respect/fear you; -100 would mean they think you are a pushover and +100 that they are worried about everything they do in case it offends you.

The game would then let you play out the machivellan dilema, do I make them fear me or love me? Some characters would respond better to one form than the other, and the player would have real choice in what to do. As it stands, it doesn't seem that there is only one way to maintain order, which is a little bit boring.

I think there is some element of that, though it's not an obvious number. i.e. rebelling/starting wars is less likely if they're clearly going to get smashed, more likely if you look militarily weak. And since you're likely to play up to a couple of dozen different people in a single game, I can see why really intricate personal relationships might be a bit of a lower priority.
 
first announcement made about the next patch and the first expansion over at Paradox's Forum

ETA mid/Late June
 
I usually never give my vassals more than one county. Keeps them weak and woefully unable to challenge my power.

Problem with that is if you hold too many duchies, then they get all fussy about that as well. And if you grant one of them a duchy title, they get mad because those counts should be vassals under them instead of you.

It's a no-win scenario. I am in the middle of a massive revolution right now--an untimely death (fighting rebels, of all things!) has caused a young king taking the throne, and 9 of my 17 dukes rising in revolution. Only 5 rose at first, but because those "other guys are in revolt" penalties are cumulative, a bunch of other formerly loyal vassals have joined in revolution.

I will definitely be playing a cruel monarch now. I plan on several executions and life imprisonments. My assassins have already dealt out some unofficial justice.
 
I don't know if you guys know this, but the Game of Thrones mod came out a few days ago... and it is awesome.

Seen the reviews, though I just bought CK2 this past weekend, so I'm still learning it.


My first serious game is as Tyrone (Ireland) and other than as a Sims game to breed a nice family tree, I don't quite see a path to power for a 1-province kingdom. I did successfully make the Pope my liege, and teh bastard finally lifted my excommunication after several decades of loyal service, right before my starter king died!!!! Nice guy teh pope!
My starter king and his heir both got in some nice crusader action from it though.

I tried dilligently to marry into a neighboring kingdom as a heir, but no dice. I'm thinking "breeding" my courtiers would actually be useful for improving my own family's breeding. Is that correct?
 
Seen the reviews, though I just bought CK2 this past weekend, so I'm still learning it.


My first serious game is as Tyrone (Ireland) and other than as a Sims game to breed a nice family tree, I don't quite see a path to power for a 1-province kingdom. I did successfully make the Pope my liege, and teh bastard finally lifted my excommunication after several decades of loyal service, right before my starter king died!!!! Nice guy teh pope!
My starter king and his heir both got in some nice crusader action from it though.

I tried dilligently to marry into a neighboring kingdom as a heir, but no dice. I'm thinking "breeding" my courtiers would actually be useful for improving my own family's breeding. Is that correct?

'Tis very simple, though not obvious. Place your chancellor in neighbouring provinces (Ulster is better than Tyrconnell or Oriel), manufacturing a claim on said province. At the same time, hoard lots of money so you can hire mercenaries. When you have enough money and the important claim, DoW and conquer said province. Repeat until all Ireland is yours.
 
Started a game in 1124 as the duke of Galilee in the Kingdom of Jerusalem. Lots of fun but I have to play mop-up in some of my lieges wars against the muslims. Now they were hit by a double whammy, and with the holy orders worn out KoJ looks to be steamrolled by the Caliphate unless the holy orders recovers in time. I'm afraid this will repeat untill the crusaders are thrown out of the holy land.

So anyone know if the Kingdom of Jerusalem can be viable without the player controlling the holy orders? Are the orders contracted to KoJ for ever or can i somehow get their services?

Other than this my only option would be to make play for the throne, but I don't really want to yet.
 
Seen the reviews, though I just bought CK2 this past weekend, so I'm still learning it.


My first serious game is as Tyrone (Ireland) and other than as a Sims game to breed a nice family tree, I don't quite see a path to power for a 1-province kingdom. I did successfully make the Pope my liege, and teh bastard finally lifted my excommunication after several decades of loyal service, right before my starter king died!!!! Nice guy teh pope!
My starter king and his heir both got in some nice crusader action from it though.

I tried dilligently to marry into a neighboring kingdom as a heir, but no dice. I'm thinking "breeding" my courtiers would actually be useful for improving my own family's breeding. Is that correct?

You swore allegiance to the Pope? As in, your country turned white and had "The Papacy" written across it? :faint:

Using the forged claims system described above can be pretty expensive, and while it does work for provinces that resist other forms of assimilation, it's not my favorite due to the cost.

There is the more direct method of marrying the sole female heir of a duchy/county (not matrilinear-ly). Then, your children will inherit the target title as well as your core titles. Sometimes, that takes a little work (i.e. assassinations) to remove other male heirs, which is more expensive in recent patches but still doable. It's probably too expensive for a 1-province county.

Another method which I am coming to appreciate is to simply marry a person with a claim on the title (i.e. the female heir after a line of male heirs), and then press her claim on the throne (via a war). Then, she will reign as an independent ruler, but your children will still inherit both titles.

Tyrone can't immediately do this, but once you get one more province via one of the above means, you can claim the duchy title, which gives you a CB on the other counties since they are part of your de jure realm. That can be used to quickly expand in Middle Ireland where there are 3 (?) two-province de jure duchies--you take one the hard way, then take the other immediately since you claimed the ducal title.

The final method, which usually works for counties and duchies you are on good terms with, is to acquire their de jure kingdom title, and simply ask them to swear allegiance to you. It almost always works for counties, and while duchies try to resist (there is a "close rank" negative modifier), you can work the diplomatic angles and get them to accept. Or declare a war for unification of your proper kingdom. That's more of a long-term plan for the single province starter, though.

Of course, these methods require Agnatic-Cognatic succession laws, but I find the AI is usually compliant and enacts that early on.
 
There are also holy wars. Be a heretic, and you can launch holy wars on the nearby catholics. Stay catholic, you can attack the nearby heretics. Just watch out for others joining in...
 
There are also holy wars. Be a heretic, and you can launch holy wars on the nearby catholics. Stay catholic, you can attack the nearby heretics. Just watch out for others joining in...

My king got converted to some heresy, I think it was Lollardism or whatever its called, and I got holy-warred by just about every Catholic monarch. My puny Scots didn't survive too long under the onslaught. That was a reload moment.

Heresy is a chancy route to go until you have a few kingdom titles under your belt. Also I think it would be fun to see heresies with more power than they have now.
 
My king got converted to some heresy, I think it was Lollardism or whatever its called, and I got holy-warred by just about every Catholic monarch. My puny Scots didn't survive too long under the onslaught. That was a reload moment.

Heresy is a chancy route to go until you have a few kingdom titles under your belt. Also I think it would be fun to see heresies with more power than they have now.
Heresy is much easier if there has been an Anti-pope for a while to break the Catholic moral authority down.
 
Well, turns out my fears were unfounded.

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OP crusading. Hadn't even occupied a quarter of egypt when they surrendered.

Threw everything I could muster into a crusade and tadaa all Egypt is now property of my superduke. Now what to do with all this land?
 
My king got converted to some heresy, I think it was Lollardism or whatever its called, and I got holy-warred by just about every Catholic monarch. My puny Scots didn't survive too long under the onslaught. That was a reload moment.

Heresy is a chancy route to go until you have a few kingdom titles under your belt. Also I think it would be fun to see heresies with more power than they have now.


I started as the duke, later king of Aquitaine. Had a non-optional switch to Fraticelli not too long after gaining independence from France. Murdered/executed my catholic son & 2 catholic grandsons so that the Fraticelli kids could inherit the major titles, and I eventually took all of the Iberian peninsula + North Africa, and have had repeated holy wars with the HRE to the point that in ~1250 I usurped the title of emperor. I even had the pope call a crusade for France. :lol: A couple of my earlier attempts at wars ended badly when the HRE intervened for the opposition, I made white peace and went after Spanish muslims instead. It was just a case of picking my times to start wars, waiting for the HRE to be busy elsewhere.
 
Heresy is much easier if there has been an Anti-pope for a while to break the Catholic moral authority down.

Haven't seen one in my two current games (Sicily, England), although I suspect that is because the Crusade for Jerusalem and the holy wars to retake Spain and North Africa were ridiculously successful. Might be something to aim for in another game--not aid the Crusaders, then establish an antipope.

I started as the duke, later king of Aquitaine. Had a non-optional switch to Fraticelli not too long after gaining independence from France. Murdered/executed my catholic son & 2 catholic grandsons so that the Fraticelli kids could inherit the major titles, and I eventually took all of the Iberian peninsula + North Africa, and have had repeated holy wars with the HRE to the point that in ~1250 I usurped the title of emperor. I even had the pope call a crusade for France. :lol: A couple of my earlier attempts at wars ended badly when the HRE intervened for the opposition, I made white peace and went after Spanish muslims instead. It was just a case of picking my times to start wars, waiting for the HRE to be busy elsewhere.

It's much better when you are crusading and aren't being crusaded upon. ;) At first, I was just fighting England and Norway, and managed to hold the line decently well. Then 25k Frenchmen and 30k from the HRE showed up. And they had the Holy Orders (which now fight against me with all that heavy cavalry because of my heretical status). Even with a few stacks of mercs, I didn't stand a chance.

I think I failed because I picked a relatively minor power to play (even though I was able to hold the crown of Scotland, it wasn't powerful yet), it was early game (I hadn't acquired much territory or built up improvements yet), and I hadn't prepared for it (my heir had converted without my knowledge).
 
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