CTR1 -- Jump Without Looking (the Deity Virgin Sacrifice)

Right, I got my civ3 disc back and have loaded up the most recent save. I've had a quick look round and want to put forward a few points for discussion.

My first concern is research. We are currently 21 turns from Bronze Working, but the Americans already have bronze working. I think we need to change our research away from bronze working and go for something to trade with the Americans. Alphabet seems like a good idea. Or alternatively we can buy bronze working from the Americans (114 gold, 4gpt) and then go after iron working. I certainly don't think we should stick with bronze working.

As far as Kyoto is concerned, after the granary comes in are we going for a settler? I am not sure what size Kyoto will be when this settler comes in, but it will certainly will be 5 or above I think. As for placement of the next city I think we have a choice to make. Do we go East to the more fertile land or go west and grab land near our capital before the Americans claim it? I would say East with our first settler, but we will need to go west at some point in the near future. On the map below I have marked a possible second city site. I like this site because it is on fresh water and because it can share the irrigated floodplain and soon to be mined bonus grassland with Kyoto. Obviously, as of yet, we cannot see to the north of this site, but from the looks of the terrain it nearby it could be more grassland or jungle.

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Other possible city sites include the wheat on the coast to the south of Kyoto, or the horses, flood plain and bonus grassland region to the west. Either of these sites may be better than the one I have selected, and I'd be interested to hear what everyone else thought.

As far as huts are concerned I would say, do not open them up. I know America is expansionist, but we really don't want to open up any barbs just yet, and as we are on deity level I understand the likelihood of us getting anything other than barbs is low.

Good luck on your turn mad-bax
 
SHard, I share your concern about research, thing is: all our effort will be lost if we switch now. It would be good if we stand a chance of being first at it, which won't be the case if it's alphabet, I fear. What we need to do techwise is meeting other civs, to bring down the price and see if we can broker anything.
 
Hmm yes, you are right about the Alphabet switch. I think trading for bronze working from America may still be a good idea, but I think you're probably right that we need to find other civs to trade with to try and bring the price down.
 
Given that we want to buy Bronze from America / next contact, shuoldn't we change our current line of study now, so that we don't waste the reasearch beaker, or is the thought that we will immediately go for IW, so the beakers would be wasted anyway?

Does the "closeness" of our own discivery of a tech reduce the price ? MY gut response is yes, but I can't recall specific proof to back it up.

SHARD : re city position - I kinda like yours. Seems to me that if we chose 1 tile SE of yours, tho, that we would have: immediate access to 3 flood plains, a BG. After expanding culture, we would have a least 1 more flood plain. Other advantage of this (minor one) is that the settler will get there in 2 turns not 3 ( I think we lose a turn, crossing the water. This would mean our cities are close, granted.

my 5 low-value cents !

CiaO
 
Wanderer, I think you're right about that city placement, 1 to the SE would be better from the point of view of terrain. Those flood plain will be useful for a worker/settler factory which we need. Also, getting there quicker would be an advantage.

As far as research is concerned, you seem have the same thoughts as me. However, one quick point, the beakers would not get transferred to a new tech I don't think. All other techs would take 40 turns from our current position so if we don't buy bronze working the best option is to stick at it. However, I believe that possibly we should buy bronze working. Also, I think that our closeness to the discovery of the tech does reduce its price for us to buy from an opposition civ.

Lets hope we survive long enough for you to get a turn Wanderer :D
 
AFAIK, beaker's don't transfer, I agree. Which means it will be wasted elswhere IF we are goig IW next. I thought we agree that we weren't going pointy stick -- are we still is sucha rush for IW ?
 
Well, if we aren't going pointy stick we want to be researching something the AI doesn't go after, namely polytheism. In this case we want to be getting Mysticism. I would have thought if we are just researching at min and accumulating gold we would want to go after these undesirable techs (using our gold to buy the prerequisites). The last thing we want is to get behind in techs this early in the game.
 
That's is my point. I think we need to take our lumps for studying Bronze, sigh, swallow deeply, and move off to Mysti. Better now than 5 turns down the line, with nothing to show. There was some discussion on these type of thigns a few pages ago, with the some of our friendly audience (insert picture of roman citizen's watching gladiators - "we who are about to die, salute you !" - here), and I think they also recommended going the "non-ai" tech route, for trading maximizing...
 
If we contact more Civs, the price will drop, and we'll earn BW on our own quicker. What the Americans are asking for is WAY too high at this point
 
Mad-Bax are you still around? You have missed the 24 hour 'got it' period as far as I can see. Please post that you have got it soon, or we will all start to get worried ;)
 
(Slightly off-topic) @SHard: I suggest that you use jpeg formatted images instead of gif, since they look much better in jpeg format. Gif is better for images that use a few solid colors, but jpeg is better for images that have lots of shades of color, like Civ3 screenshots.

-Sirp.
 
Hi all.

I have the save. Sorry I couldn't post over the weekend due to family stuff.

Has anyone got any ideas what the Americans are researching now?

I will play my turns tonight and post them tomorrow morning. I've read all the comments, and will try to keep everyone happy.

Since I won't be playing till tonight you have 8 hours to decide

Do I switch research? I vote no.
Do we pop the huts? I vote no for the nearest and yes for the other.
 
I'm not sure there is anyway of telling what the Americans are researching now. I've said my piece on research, and I'm happy whatever you choose to do in your turn.

As far as the huts are concerned I would still say no to popping them. We don't want to lose one of our scouts, as this would really hamper our exploration. I know it is tempting but the risk is very high on deity. I'd be interested to know what others felt about this though, particularly experienced deity players.
 
My reaction would be that they would be very likely to get something useful. There is either a constant chance that the AI have on all levels or it may even be that there is a higher likelihood on harder skill levels. I'm not entirely sure.
 
OK - I'm going home early from work. Since there is no concensus on hut popping I will take the safe option and not pop them. In fact I am pretty sure that the americans will get something from them that we can trade for, wheras we are likely to get barbs and lose the warrior. That could be a game killer as we need as many contacts as possible.

So I'll just explore and finish the granary, I will improve the BG tile next to the capital after the current tile is roaded.

The responsibility is killing me! :)
 
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