Current v1.13 Development Discussion

[Leoreth]

	if utils.getHumanID() != iPlayer and iGameTurn > getTurnForYear(con.tFall[iPlayer]):
		iThreshold += 5 * iStabilityLevel + 5 + max(10, (iGameTurn - getTurnForYear(con.tFall[iPlayer])) / utils.getTurns(10))

And yes.

 

[citis]

Right now there 14 active members!!! wow!

 

[agentxorange]

On a game a decade old

 

[Nyayr]

Anyone finding the Maya with 2 holkan (archer) and 1 settler a bit pathetic for 65 BC? They can't even capture the nearby city, cause it has a holkan in it on a hill....

Sure the meso-americans do get a handicap compared to the euro-asians but honestly, 2 holkans... Perhaps it be more honest to have 2 settlers or more troops?

 

[Leoreth]

It's intentional that you cannot conquer the Zapotecs right away.

 

[Nyayr]

With these maya, I get a civilization collapse at 515 Bc just when I invent the calender. Says overexpansion 14/10, I build the city Olxmoche just below the silver mine (due to the double fish) and possibility that cities are not so clogged on each other. It historical but not core, so building a city not in the core causes overexpansion? Cause I only had that single city.

 

[Leoreth]

Overexpansion is core population compared to everything else, including historical. The population of historical cities is weighted much less than ahistorical cities but it still counts. The Maya are designed to discourage expansion, although 1-2 historical cities should be possible if you manage to have sufficient population in your core.

 

[DC123456789]

It is highly inadvisable to not have a city in your core, since I believe that makes your expansion stability tank massively.

 

[Fresol]

Leoreth, you wrote in the change log of revision 970 the following:
- Changed tech modifiers from multiplicative to additive.

Is it true? How does it work? So If I start as the Vikings(70%) on Paragon(150%), what'll be my tech modifier?

And how do other modifiers stack? Take civic upkeep for example, what's the modifier for China(120%) on Heir(80%)?

 

[Leoreth]

The commit message was maybe unclear, this only applies to the "additional" tech modifiers like tech spread, tech lead etc.

Usually these factors are multiplicative. So Paragon Vikings have a 0.7 * 1.5 = 1.05, China on Heir is 1.2 * 0.8 = 0.96.

Note that these modifiers are not displayed in the interface, the "base cost" already includes them. The additional modifiers come from multiple sources but I think they should be treated as one factor, so I made them additive.

If you receive +20% cost from tech spread but -10% for having just spawned, that's a 110% modifier over base. Multiplicative means 1.2 * 0.9 = 108%.

 

[citis]

The commit message was maybe unclear, this only applies to the "additional" tech modifiers like tech spread, tech lead etc.

Usually these factors are multiplicative. So Paragon Vikings have a 0.7 * 1.5 = 1.05, China on Heir is 1.2 * 0.8 = 0.96.

Note that these modifiers are not displayed in the interface, the "base cost" already includes them. The additional modifiers come from multiple sources but I think they should be treated as one factor, so I made them additive.

If you receive +20% cost from tech spread but -10% for having just spawned, that's a 110% modifier over base. Multiplicative means 1.2 * 0.9 = 108%.

So you civilised the research modifier. I though that was the standard approach for everything in CIV. Is there any other exception?

 

[Leoreth]

What do you mean by civilized? As I said, the standard approach is to apply multiple modifiers sequentially as multiplicative factors.

And exceptions to what?

 

[Hobs]

Where did you find the diplo music for the Latin American leaders? They sound really good! When Juarez showed up for the first time I did nothing but listen to his diplo music for a minute.

Also I take it that New World civs do not spawn if the owner of their Core is Solid or Stable. I had a game where Brazil never spawned because Portugal is Solid. Are there any exceptions to this rule? Besides America? Is the spawning of Canada/Argentina/Mexico/Colombia conditional or not?

 

[Leoreth]

All Latin American civs are conditional, but Canada isn't.

 

[agentxorange]

There's no way to keep us frosty northerners outta your games

 

[Leoreth]

Spoiler :

They're the only ones who'd want that tundra anyways

 

[citis]

And exceptions to what?

The addition of modifiers is the norm for most things, like production, science, comerce etc. Research cost was an exception. Is there any other exception?

 

[Leoreth]

As I said, that's not the case.

 

[Hobs]

All Latin American civs are conditional, but Canada isn't.

Makes sense. Without Canada, America & England will be a lot harder to balance in the late game.

I mean, it's not just tundra. It's 2~3 good cities with 2 Oil and quite a bit of mineral resources. And a lot of Land Area to help with Domination.

Edit: Although it's a bit sad England cannot keep even Canada.

 

[Nyayr]

Is there reason why Amsterdam stays stuck on 11 population, even if you have more food it doesn't just stays with the bar full, while there is enough happiness/ health to grow to 17!