Current v1.13 Development Discussion

[Imperator Knoedel]

Maybe you accidentally turned avoid growth on?

 

[The Diocletian]

Levy Armies?

 

[Leoreth]

Edit: Although it's a bit sad England cannot keep even Canada.

What's with the panel with France, Spain and the Netherlands?

 

[Nyayr]

Maybe you accidentally turned avoid growth on?

I didn't realize turning off growth now literally stops the growth! Which it didn't before Pretty cool option but now I have to go back a few turns haha!

PS: The dutch are always the backwards nation when they appear in 1580, Usually 75% of the other nations are ahead or miss a low tech like philosophy or patronage. Kinda sad honestly... Compared to 1.12 the computer progresses much quicker, especially China, England and France as Rifling is sometimes invented in the 1300's. I already went kaput on China with the mongols since they had cannons and cavalry... Seen them with machine guns in 1500's as well, this on both monarch and regent settings.

 

[CaterpillarKing]

What's with the panel with France, Spain and the Netherlands?

From what I can tell it has to do with France and Spain siding with America, not sure about the Dutch. It might just be something historically inaccurate by the creator.

 

[Hobs]

What's with the panel with France, Spain and the Netherlands?

Splendid Isolation, I think. According to some historians it's a (regrettable) necessity, rather than a choice.

From what I can tell it has to do with France and Spain siding with America, not sure about the Dutch. It might just be something historically inaccurate by the creator.

Or that. The Dutch tried to take advantage of Britain's momentary weakness during the American War of Independence, but failed.

 

[calad]

Hi Leoreth. Just wanted to say that vassallization by war works very reasonable now. I had couple of situations that AI refused to speak with me and when I destroyed AI armies I was able to vassallize them. Problems still are like Canada became a vassal of Arabia after spawning and that makes zero sense, how about civs cant become vassals of each other in peace if they dont share border? It would stop nonsense like that.

 

[Nyayr]

History there been enough vassals without shared borders. Though maybe they wouldn't be able to become a vassal at their first few turns?

 

[Leoreth]

Hi Leoreth. Just wanted to say that vassallization by war works very reasonable now. I had couple of situations that AI refused to speak with me and when I destroyed AI armies I was able to vassallize them. Problems still are like Canada became a vassal of Arabia after spawning and that makes zero sense, how about civs cant become vassals of each other in peace if they dont share border? It would stop nonsense like that.

Haven't I already implemented something like this?

 

[calad]

History there been enough vassals without shared borders. Though maybe they wouldn't be able to become a vassal at their first few turns?

As far I know there has been no examples of oversea nations to become vassals of other nations peacefully.

Haven't I already implemented something like this?

AI sometimes becomes a vassal of other very distant AI despite master has no way to assist junior partner in any way.

 

[Leoreth]

Well apparently I didn't.

 

[CaterpillarKing]

For sake of gameplay I don't think that should be implemented. There are cases where a nation is getting beat up by someone else and wants to become a vassal of someone else who's strong. In some cases gameplay should take prerogative, and this is one of those cases. I would find it annoying that I can't vassalize Iran just because I'm America. I think if a nation is weak then they should be allowed to become a vassal of anyone who's stronger, regardless of where they are.

On another note, South Korea more or less became a vassal of America in peacetime. America was never at war with Korea, only Japan. America basically forced Japan to let Korea go, and then South Korea peace vassaled to America because North Korea was about to take it.

 

[calad]

For sake of gameplay I don't think that should be implemented. There are cases where a nation is getting beat up by someone else and wants to become a vassal of someone else who's strong. In some cases gameplay should take prerogative, and this is one of those cases. I would find it annoying that I can't vassalize Iran just because I'm America. I think if a nation is weak then they should be allowed to become a vassal of anyone who's stronger, regardless of where they are.

I agree with this but the problem is that there are few strong nations who all could become master of Iran under your terms. In my game Arabia became master of Canada because they found it first... Basically it is a lottery who gets lucky tonight and that kind of game feature is bad. Also you cannot help Iranin any way because it is so far away so it is for Iran extreamly unbeneficial to be vassal of US.

Currently I would say this in an exploit of getting easy vassal from new civs.

 

[CaterpillarKing]

Well Peace vassal is already hard to do. Just because it happened a few times doesn't mean it should be ruled as a constant problem. I don't think it should be taken out, perhaps just made harder. Also, America could do a lot to help Iran. If they get there with transports and quickly help, or even use nuclear weapons.

 

[JH Gong]

Well speaking of Korea, isn't their stability map pretty harsh?
Their core/historical area is the smallest in the game, and given their history that is about correct but honestly,
I was expecting some more historical/contested area to the north.
Their borders were only decreased to what it is now in the 10th century or so,
and Korean settlers constantly moved north from the last days of the Joseon dynasty to the end of the Japanese reign.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gojoseon
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goguryeo
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balhae

BTW, looking at the stability maps again, I noticed that HRE has a little bit of historical area in South America.
Why is that? I never knew that Austria settled/conquered the New World

 

[FinalLegendZero]

BTW, looking at the stability maps again, I noticed that HRE has a little bit of historical area in South America.
Why is that? I never knew that Austria settled/conquered the New World

That's an artifact of the original RFC. Rhye's stability maps had quite a few nonsensical patches like that, especially in Australia and the Americas.

 

[Imperator Knoedel]

I noticed that HRE has a little bit of historical area in South America.
Why is that? I never knew that Austria settled/conquered the New World

Duh, that's where Hitler lives.

Btw can we have a modern leader for Austria plox? As long as I'm not playing Germany or France it's not uncommon for them to survive well into the 20th century, why in my recently finished Soviet game I gave them half of Europe (the one covered in fallout that is) as they were my vassal. I'd suggest either Karl Renner or Bruno Kreisky, the only competent chancellors this pitiful excuse for a country has ever had. We could even throw in Dolfuß or Schuschnigg as fascist leader. Then again it's probably not worth the effort, and there's other countries who need modern leaders more, looking at you Peru!

 

[CaterpillarKing]

 

[Fresol]

Well speaking of Korea, isn't their stability map pretty harsh?
Their core/historical area is the smallest in the game, and given their history that is about correct but honestly,
I was expecting some more historical/contested area to the north.
Their borders were only decreased to what it is now in the 10th century or so,
and Korean settlers constantly moved north from the last days of the Joseon dynasty to the end of the Japanese reign.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gojoseon
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goguryeo
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balhae

At least it covers what Korea controls now, unlike... China.

 

[Leoreth]

Well speaking of Korea, isn't their stability map pretty harsh?
Their core/historical area is the smallest in the game, and given their history that is about correct but honestly,
I was expecting some more historical/contested area to the north.
Their borders were only decreased to what it is now in the 10th century or so,
and Korean settlers constantly moved north from the last days of the Joseon dynasty to the end of the Japanese reign.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gojoseon
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goguryeo
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balhae

It actually was like that initially. You have to consider that settler maps and stability maps are the same, so that had the consequence Korean settlements all over Manchuria (that still happens sometimes), which ended up anachronistic most of the time.

BTW, looking at the stability maps again, I noticed that HRE has a little bit of historical area in South America.
Why is that? I never knew that Austria settled/conquered the New World

Do you mean Venezuela? There actually was a short-lived colony there.