[RD] Daily Graphs and Charts

[Hrothbern]

Why do they separate the Catholics?
The name itself originally meant universal/all embracing.

I think to be able to show the etnic composition of the universal Catholics in the changing demographis and stickyness.
The white catholics go down from 16, 15, 9, 6 from oldest age group to youngest age group
And the hispanic catholics are going up from 4, 6, 10, 9

 

[Cutlass]

Why do they separate the Catholics?
The name itself originally meant universal/all embracing.

That's not what it means in terms of the religious denomination now. The Catholic church is just one of Christian churches in the US. The growing part of who attends the Catholic church is mostly Hispanic. White attendance has dropped considerably.

 

[JohannaK]

it's interesting that Hispanic youths seem to be more religious than their elders.

 

[warpus]

That's not what it means in terms of the religious denomination now. The Catholic church is just one of Christian churches in the US. The growing part of who attends the Catholic church is mostly Hispanic. White attendance has dropped considerably.

Which group do white Hispanics fall into in this case?

 

[JohannaK]

You will note that the graph is in percentages, so whether there is more of them or not is fairly irrelevant.

 

[Cutlass]

Which group do white Hispanics fall into in this case?

Here you fall into a problem of definitions. "Hispanic" is not a race (according to US Census, and people who think about the issue). "Hispanic" can actually be of any race. White, black, American Indian, even Asian. And any possible combination of the above. So while many Hispanics self identify as white, they typically fall into a subcategory of white which is still Hispanic. So they are broken out with the Hispanic, and not the white. So when they say Hispanic, they mean Hispanic of any 'racial' origin.

 

[JohannaK]

I will admit that I was not considering that the percentages relate to the total US population, and not to the Hispanic population.

But you dont need to be an ass about it.

 

[Arakhor]

Americans have an interesting definition of 'Hispanic', which is all the more bizarre if the person they're talking to is of Iberian stock themselves.

 

[JohannaK]

I would argue that Hispanic and Spanish are not quite the same thing.

 

[Arakhor]

Indeed, but good luck getting the same precise definition from both sides of the Atlantic or even North and South America.

 

[Cutlass]

Americans have an interesting definition of 'Hispanic', which is all the more bizarre if the person they're talking to is of Iberian stock themselves.

We don't consider Spanish or Portuguese to be "Hispanic". Hispanic refers to people of the Western hemisphere of Spanish cultural and linguistic descent. Regardless of race.

 

[JohannaK]

I mean Hispanic countries have their own particular relations to race. If it were race-depemdent on the US it would be interesting to say the least.

 

[warpus]

Here you fall into a problem of definitions. "Hispanic" is not a race (according to US Census, and people who think about the issue). "Hispanic" can actually be of any race. White, black, American Indian, even Asian. And any possible combination of the above. So while many Hispanics self identify as white, they typically fall into a subcategory of white which is still Hispanic. So they are broken out with the Hispanic, and not the white. So when they say Hispanic, they mean Hispanic of any 'racial' origin.

I'm on meds and have trouble parsing the above. I guess I was just mainly curious which trend white Hispanics tend to follow - whether their numbers would be closer to the "white" numbers or the "Hispanic" numbers. I would guess Hispanic, but that is just a guess.

We don't consider Spanish or Portuguese to be "Hispanic". Hispanic refers to people of the Western hemisphere of Spanish cultural and linguistic descent. Regardless of race.

I always thought people from the Iberian peninsula were not Latino, but they were Hispanic.

and I know how useless the dictionary can be, but it does seem to agree with that:

relating to Spain or to Spanish-speaking countries, especially those of Latin America.

and then of course right away has a definition that sort of agrees with you

a Spanish-speaking person living in the US, especially one of Latin American descent.

Seems to me that a person from Spain who moved to the U.S. would be classified as Hispanic under both of the above definition. Although I presume not under official U.S. census classifications or whatever. Is that about right?

 

[Arakhor]

We don't consider Spanish or Portuguese to be "Hispanic". Hispanic refers to people of the Western hemisphere of Spanish cultural and linguistic descent. Regardless of race.

If you mean the Americas, that's fine, but both Spain and Portugal are west of the Greenwich Meridian.

 

[Cutlass]

Here's the US Census .pdf on the issue. See if you can make sense of that. https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-02.pdf

 

[W|M]

I always thought people from the Iberian peninsula were not Latino, but they were Hispanic.

That might be true for people from Spain, but it isn't true for people from Portugal

 

[JohannaK]

Cultural imperialism! The phrase Western Heminsphere has always seemed curious to me as it encompasses most of the UK, Iberia, West Africa, half of France, Ireland, and Iceland, on top of America.

I am not calling it the Americas because in Spanish America includes north and south.

 

[Cutlass]

Cultural imperialism! The phrase Western Heminsphere has always seemed curious to me as it encompasses most of the UK, Iberia, West Africa, half of France, Ireland, and Iceland, on top of America.

I am not calling it the Americas because in Spanish America includes north and south.

How about "new world"?

 

[JohannaK]

Even more cultural imperialism!

 

[Cutlass]

I'm OK with that.