Death

We all choose something that is comfortable for us. The other options all seem wildly crazy and wrong. All options are just guesses. In most cases our individual fundamental assumptions about existence will determine what kind afterlife we lean towards. Cultural bias can play a huge part in our thinking,

For me it's not a matter of choosing what is more comfortable to me, but simply noting that reincarnation would require infrastructure in place. "Nothing happens after you die" doesn't require anything special in place, if that makes sense.

It's like wondering what happens when you throw a candy wrapper on the ground. "Nothing happens unless somebody picks it up" makes sense, and requires 0 infrastructure to be in place other than human civilization - which we'll all agree exists. However, "At night flying squirrels pick up all garbage off the ground and recycle it" would require infrastructure in place - you would need a way for the squirrels to scan the whole planet for candy wrappers on the ground, it would require large team of squirrels in place to pick up the wrappers and deliver them to where they can be recycled. Quite frankly, it sounds ridiculous. If it were true, surely somebody would have discovered this secret organization of squirrel cleaners or seen some hints of their actions. But there's been nothing. So "nothing happens" is probably what's actually happening.

So yes, all options are just guesses, but some are better guesses than others. And I completely agree that your cultural bias affects the way you think about the afterlife. There's a reason why most Christians don't adhere to Hindu beliefs about the afterlife. If they had been born in India, that might have been the case, but they weren't.
 
@warpus I like the squirrels metaphor, but it doesn't come close to addressing how Hinduism/Buddhism handle the issue of how reincarnation happens and what is required. That would take being educated on those cosmologies. :)
 
I haven't made any practical considerations for my death either. I assume everything would automatically pass to my wife should I die but without a will in place, I don't know how absolute that is

It might, but without a will in place the matter could spend up to two years in arbitration. Even with a will it could still end up going to arbitration, especially if you still owe people money when you die.

From what I understood about the process when I sold life insurance, creditors basically get first dibs on your estate regardless of what your will says. The only way to protect your assets from creditors is to liquidate them and put the money in an annuity or life insurance policy as both are immune to arbitration upon your death.
 
Death is the only guarantee in life.

Watching a hamster turn gray, curl up, and pass away in 30 days was the 1st time it really hit home for me.

Next was the year of cicadas.
They made so much noise, I thought Earth had 2 dominant species now.
But a few months later, they were all gone.
No more noise, with only their shells left on trees.
100% dead.

Even with perfect health, our cells will stop dividing one week.
Age 113 I think?
We just, stop, eventually.

Only cancer cells live forever, so congrats to them I guess.
If we achieved immortality, we'd cause the same problems they do.

I see death as going back to where I was before being alive.
 
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There are only a few tonnes of functionally immortal cancer cells. And they're in cryogenic freezers, waiting to be asked to reproduce in order to conduct more biological science.

.... not sure if that makes your analogy any less scary, lol
 
There are only a few tonnes of functionally immortal cancer cells. And they're in cryogenic freezers, waiting to be asked to reproduce in order to conduct more biological science.

I smell a good horror/romance novel!
Probably Japanese.

We can just enlarge the freezers for the frozen humancicles who want to persist in the meanwhile.
 
This isn't true, cancer treatments have improved by leaps and bounds from a standing start in the last century.

On the other hand, in an ironic twist of fate, carcinogens are now more omnipresent than ever before (except perhaps public smoking) and harder to avoid than ever, while our lifestyles, partly due to the very convenience of progress, are more sedentary yet (often) more stressfull.

though I do generally agree that there are many tangible things that have improved besides vaccination and modern medicine in general, especially culturally, I also definitely think that some things have worsened, especially materially and systematically. weighing it up against each other is kinda pointless, but I really don't know if I would call the developments of the last 100 or 50 years "progress" in any meaningful sense. I would probably call them acceleration, (tumoric) growth or exponential consumption.

progress to me is a term that maybe makes sense when a united goal is a given, like with a task or a goal, a production, a quota or anything of that sort. it only makes sense when something is quantifiable and collectively shared. but most people don't share the same notions of what is progress or regress.

When I was having intrustive thoughts about death and dying, I coincidentally came across a paper that purported to show that in many cases, some level of brain activity can carry on for days or even longer after death. That really messed with my head.

Apparently there exists an immortal jellyfish that disagrees

biological immortality is different from our common idea of immortality. also, with that specific type of jellyfish (I've read about it) you kind of enter a new philosophical dilemma. they don't actually reproduce like we do, they essentially clone themselves via polyps. then, after reaching sexual maturity, it reverts again to its initial state, undergoing a process of transdifferentation (which I think includes heavy genetic alteration) and can spawn more polyps.

it's kind of different to argue that the jellyfish undergoing transdifferentation is still the same after the process. following this line of argumentation, all jellyfish ever spawned of that particular species would basically be one single being. but it ain't like that. the jellyfish spawns clones, everyone matures, undergoes change and then that changed jellyfish spawns again. in a way it is more akin to a cycle of constant rebirth (as someone else!) than a single being living forever.
 
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@warpus I like the squirrels metaphor, but it doesn't come close to addressing how Hinduism/Buddhism handle the issue of how reincarnation happens and what is required. That would take being educated on those cosmologies. :)

Aha, but the point is that some sort of "infrastructure" is required for it to work. Otherwise who's coordinating the resurrections? Who's deciding who gets to resurrect into which body? That's a lot of overhead and a lot of maintenance work that's required to keep the system going.

You could say: "Oh, that's all inherent to the universe, and already built in". But it is infrastructure nevertheless, even if it's framed like that. That's the essence of my argument - that for the afterlife to work, you need a system in place to deal with all that. Of some kind. It adds complexity where none has been observed (so far, perhaps)

Religions never (from my experience, correct me if I'm wrong) outline exactly how the afterlife works. It's described using vague terms and mentioned in passing. So they don't exactly outline the infrastructure needed for that particular religion's take on the afterlife, so it would probably not be possible to analyze religious texts, hoping to approach the question from that pov.

Honestly, the best shot at the afterlife for us might be if the universe is a simulation. We're just brains in a vat, maybe in somebody's science experiment, or some sort of cosmic joke. When we die, we'll wake up in some room and we'll be all "Whoa, we're aliens"

That seems incredibly unlikely to me, but not any more unlikely than all the other descriptions of what the afterlife might be like if it exists.

I've been playing with this mental idea that when you die, and your brain slowly shuts down, your internal time just slows down.. It gets slower and slower and you live in that moment, seemingly for a very long time. Maybe forever? People say they see their life flashing in front of their eyes.. during near death experiences.. And we all know that dreams can at times feel like they lasted soooo long.. while studies show most dreams last minutes at most.

There's also a slightly more philosophical approach.. Sort of.. I am essentially a part of the universe that's decided to look at itself, and wonder about it. I am a tiny part of the universe becoming conscious. This is true for every single person on the planet, and for all sentient life. When you die you remain as a part of the universe, clearly, as the atoms that were a part of you don't simply disappear. What does that imply? Nothing. But perhaps the whole universe is conscious on some level, and that's why evolution happened, and how sentient life arose. The universe wants to be more sentient. This all sounds like crazy-talk really, and I don't believe it, but I'm throwing it out there as an option. As long as we're talking about crazy ideas.

The takeaway from all of this for me is to treat every day as a gift. None of us know what happens after you die. For all you know you'll still be alive in some weird form, your energy will remain in some ways intact, in some strange dimension, and you'll be completely in a different sort of existence, where you won't have any of your current senses, but a set of other ones. And you'll float around wishing you could just be with your friends eating pizza.

Or you'll just not exist, at all. That seems to be the most likely conclusion. So treat every day like it's the gift that it is. You're here, living, feeling, smelling, loving, hurting. Remind yourself how amazing it is! When we're children, this is evident to us.. But over time you get used to life and you take it for granted. Take the time to look around and just be amazed that you exist! You are lucky to be here, at this time, in this place. Death is the one thing that should be reminding us of this every day.
 
There's also a slightly more philosophical approach.. Sort of.. I am essentially a part of the universe that's decided to look at itself, and wonder about it. I am a tiny part of the universe becoming conscious. This is true for every single person on the planet, and for all sentient life. When you die you remain as a part of the universe, clearly, as the atoms that were a part of you don't simply disappear. What does that imply? Nothing. But perhaps the whole universe is conscious on some level, and that's why evolution happened, and how sentient life arose. The universe wants to be more sentient. This all sounds like crazy-talk really, and I don't believe it, but I'm throwing it out there as an option. As long as we're talking about crazy ideas.
Your thinking is in line with others. Consciousness evolving through matter and energy. Here is a book about it. It is certainly religious but looks at the very question you raise.

Or you'll just not exist, at all. That seems to be the most likely conclusion. So treat every day like it's the gift that it is. You're here, living, feeling, smelling, loving, hurting. Remind yourself how amazing it is! When we're children, this is evident to us.. But over time you get used to life and you take it for granted. Take the time to look around and just be amazed that you exist! You are lucky to be here, at this time, in this place. Death is the one thing that should be reminding us of this every day.
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My opinion is that involuntary death is an enemy worth battling. It's the permanent destruction of something that should be invaluable. I think we under-invest due to a variety of instincts and heuristics. So, instead of battling involuntary death, we buy bigger houses so we can watch our bigger TVs for longer. And then people die that needn't have. But I'm outright crazy, with the eventual goal being functional immortality.

Immortality for the individual will be death for humanity.
 
I’m a huge believer in human reincarnation.
 
That's fine if you think that @Manfred Belheim . But I still need your help preventing preventable and unwanted deaths :) The problem you're describing can be discussed while we save people in real time :)
 
That's fine if you think that @Manfred Belheim . But I still need your help preventing preventable and unwanted deaths :) The problem you're describing can be discussed while we save people in real time :)

Hmm. But what deaths (ultimately) are preventable? And are they really unwanted?
 
Hmm. But what deaths (ultimately) are preventable? And are they really unwanted?
It seems that no lives are ultimately immortal. But any specific death is preventable. Oh sure, there's a different death lurking. And yeah, I'm talking about the unwanted deaths.

We will discuss the concerns of preventing some of the deaths. But there are other ones to prevent in the meantime.
 
Well we already do that for the most part don't we? I was talking about your "functional immortality" comment.
 
Honestly not sure what you're asking... I mean I'm not going around killing people if that helps?
 
Honestly not sure what you're asking... I mean I'm not going around killing people if that helps?

Not really. I mean, find a way that you can help prevent deaths, and proactively do so. Then there will be fewer preventable deaths. The worry about 'functional immortality' can wait.
 
Oh. Well... no then I guess. Don't really have it in me to be a superhero. I'll try not to die for as long as I can though. And for me there isn't a worry about "functional immortality", other than it might actually come to pass.
 
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