Define Communism

[West 36]

COMMUNISM is a RELIGION that wants everyone ENSLAVED by the GUBMIT with no FREEDOM. It mandates that we all think alike, act alike, and look alike. It KILLS ALL DISSENTERS. That's a quote from MARX actually.
That or it's a perfect, but impossible world.
But anyone who disagrees is a communist.

 

[amadeus]

An economic philosophy where the adherents are dumb enough to believe people will be satisfied in equality of outcomes.

 

[Gustave5436]

But did still render it temporary; Lenin did not.

Had Marx been in the position to institute a proletarian dictatorship, I highly doubt he would have made it any less permanent than his followers in Russia.

Marx as authoritarian and Bakunin as libertarian?

Hardly. It's the usual split among radicals, in this case, radical socialists. A split about trivial matters comparing to the mass oppression of all socialists. (The enemy is out killing us and you argue about that an apple is not an orange!)

Bakunin's ideology involved "mass oppression?"

Wha?

I use the definition "anarcho-socialism"

Redundant; anarchism, being a rejection of all forms of hierarchical authority, necessarily opposes capitalism due to the hierarchical class structure inherent to that economic system. Anti-capitalist ideologies fall under the blanket term "socialist."

 

[GenMarshall]

It's something Republicans fear and missassociate it with socialism.

 

[Ulyaoth]

Redundant; anarchism, being a rejection of all forms of hierarchical authority, necessarily opposes capitalism due to the hierarchical class structure inherent to that economic system. Anti-capitalist ideologies fall under the blanket term "socialist."

Anarchists aren't against any kind of authority or structure like some would believe. Just against a government. Of course like anything there's different kinds, but generally, as wikipedia says(to use a crappy source from laziness) it's just being against the state usually.

 

[Gustave5436]

Anarchists aren't against any kind of authority or structure like some would believe. Just against a government. Of course like anything there's different kinds, but generally, as wikipedia says(to use a crappy source from laziness) it's just being against the state usually.

As an anarchist I can indeed affirm that we oppose all forms of hierarchical authority, regardless of the name said authority goes by. State, Church, Capital - all are oppressive institutions which must be abolished if we are to attain liberty.

"anarcho" capitalism is the one where they just oppose government, and even then just the name government. If a "private security company" takes on all the roles of a government, they're totally cool with that (in fact, that's how their ideology deals with the threat of socialist revolution). Needless to say, "anarchist" capitalists are universally rejected by true anarchists.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

At its heart, communism just means sharing or mutual ownership



Anarchism encompasses a rather broad range of political philosophies. Technically anarchy is the state of being without rulers, not necessarily without rules. Anarchy can still have codes of laws, but not a central authority to enforce them. The Law of Moses was largely an anarchistic code of laws as people were basically on the honor system before the people demanded a king.


Marxism is by no means the original form of Communism. Many of the Utopian socialists Marx decried could be considered at least as Communist as him. The early christian church may have been the first real communist movement. The early church had horizontal instead of vertical differentiation, with hierarchy eventually emerging as a means of keeping heresies in check. Many churches today reject hierarchical organization, and there are many groups of Christian Anarchists (sometimes seen as a subset of Anarchistic Pacifism).

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Marx invented the idea, Marx's libertarian contemporaries (Bakunin) fought him over it. Hence the split in the IWA, between the authoritarians under Marx and the libertarians most notably represented by Bakunin.

Neither Marx nor Lenin meant a literal autocratic dictatorship when they spoke of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat. They meant it rather in the Classical sense of the word dictatura, which was republican and constitutional in nature. They meant it in contrast to the "dictatorship of the bourgeoisie," and that the former would replace the latter. You know how Marx loved to mix up the meanings of words, like with Dialectical Materialism, for instance, which is neither dialectic in the classical sense nor materialistic in the commonly-meant sense of the word.

There ya go.

Why did you have to bump this thread? It had done a good job dying.

 

[GenMarshall]

An economic philosophy where the adherents are dumb enough to believe people will be satisfied in equality of outcomes.

Same thing can be said for capitalism:

An economic philosophy where the adherents are dumb enough to believe people will be satisfied in unequality of outcomes.

 

[Huayna Capac357]

Why did you have to bump this thread? It had done a good job dying.

I'm sorry, I saw October 2_, 2009 and I assumed it was new

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Same thing can be said for capitalism:

An economic philosophy where the adherents are dumb enough to believe people will be satisfied in unequality of outcomes.

You are wonderful.

 

[aelf]

An economic philosophy where the adherents are dumb enough to believe people will be satisfied in equality of outcomes.

Same thing can be said for capitalism:

An economic philosophy where the adherents are dumb enough to believe people will be satisfied in unequality of outcomes.

Guess which is dumber.

 

[kulade]

Guess which is dumber.

All of the above?

 

[aelf]

All of the above?

That makes no sense. If you have two options, they can't be both worse than each other.

 

[Gwyddelig]

Sing it with me now!

I own you
You own me
Communist society

 

[aelf]

Sing it with me now!

I own you
You own me
Communist society

Sounds like any society existent. Unless you're claiming that everyone lives completely independently.

 

[Quackers]

Communism is probably the biggest fraud scam in history. Unfortunately so many people have been sucked into its utopia even when 100 million people have died from it.

 

[RedRalph]

It's a grim spectre haunting South America

 

[aelf]

Communism is probably the biggest fraud scam in history. Unfortunately so many people have been sucked into its utopia even when 100 million people have died from it.

Sounds like a very bad definition.

Besides, even if something is really wrong, that doesn't make it a scam. I believe the biggest scam to date is Madoff's, and that's capitalist.

 

[Heretic_Cata]

Communism is probably the biggest fraud scam in history. Unfortunately so many people have been sucked into its utopia even when 100 million people have died from it.

Just like fascism amirite ?