[BTS] Deity One City Challenge on a Huge map with 18 civilizations

[krikav]

I like both henge and oracle.
I think GProphets are nice. Settled hammers are good, and extra gold per turn doesn't hurt. At worst it can be used to buy resources for more health/happines.

Oracle MC sounds nice too, I tend to always forget about half-price forges while playing industrious.

 

[valergrad]

Metal casting is also good because it is >30% more expensive than Alphabet, Mathematics, Aesthetics, so it can be traded on them in 1-on-1 basis. And Code of Laws - can't.

 

[Heathcliff]

Wonders will go very fast because of 17 opponents, compared to 6 normally.

 

[Nick723]

Agree on SIP vs on marble. In my experience at least, you want quite a lot of hammers in OCC and even with stone and marble I think there’s no harm in having a few hammer heavy tiles. You won’t work them all the time but when you need to build something it’s nice to be able to do it quickly, then go back to generating .

Agree that prophets aren’t great, but they aren’t a disaster either so long as you don’t get too many of them. Bear in mind all world wonders give 2 in addition to their other effects and so I consider Stonehenge a snitch at only 48 (effective). In terms of -> ratio, it’s up there with ToA (another early wonder to seriously consider) and beaten only by the great library.

 

[mscellaneous]

But why do we want engineers gpp? Isn't scientist's better on this map?

Of course, but I'd rather have a GE than a GP and extra gold doesn't seem to be very usefull in OCC.

 

[krikav]

Hmm.. I tried to find this scenario, but I can only find it with nobles setting.
How do I go about to try it out?

 

[BornInCantaloup]

Hmm.. I tried to find this scenario, but I can only find it with nobles setting.
How do I go about to try it out?

You can't, this is what it is Which is why one could consider killing Isabella with 3 warriors, so that their very own Jewish Shrine would reign uncontested on Eurafricasia. I've tried this setup to around 500 BC and killing Isabella is the room for improvement I would look into.

 

[Heathcliff]

Custom Scenario ... You change your own difficulty.
I think it is an old scenario so the AI wont get techs and archers but everything else is right.

 

[drewisfat]

Yeah, no deity starting units Krikav. The map is very susceptible to abuse, early warrior/chariot rushes and worker steals (I remember getting a double steal with Rome on turn 2-3).

I think it's a waste to settle on that great marble tile, especially when early Masonry is kind of a gimme with the great stone tile as well. I don't see any benefit in wonders except mids. Culture wars isn't going to be a problem with Louis in an OCC. Oracle isn't slinging anything deep (no big commerce tiles, lots of civs). Slinging Monarchy would be great with wine + OCC, except we can go mids-rep. I don't think CoL asap is that important with CRE library. I don't think an earlier forge is worth the GPP pollution. Not getting a scientist first would be a big loss.

 

[valergrad]

Everyone is speaking about hammers.
But marble start has +7 more food ( not speaking even about the additional gold ) and this can be converted to hammers by whipping.
Isn't it or I don't understand something?

 

[krikav]

Can't really whip out wonders.

 

[Fippy]

Pyras..Glib..NE..Globe, so yup Aest line > CoL
Oracle is okay since you need Poly for that anyways, just not that big wonder for me.

 

[NothingBesideRemains]

Everyone is speaking about hammers.
But marble start has +7 more food ( not speaking even about the additional gold ) and this can be converted to hammers by whipping.
Isn't it or I don't understand something?

Keep in mind +4 of that food is from pigs next to Berlin; not guaranteed to get that early (though Oracle + holy city should get it in your borders eventually).

 

[BornInCantaloup]

Pyras..Glib..NE..Globe, so yup Aest line > CoL
Oracle is okay since you need Poly for that anyways, just not that big wonder for me.

Indeed. The Oracle is a welcome bonus, shaving hum... at least 10 turns towards Aesthetics.
But it isn't necessary.
And Aesthetics is the clear entry path into the Classical Era. The timings on the Great Library and the National Epic are determinant. The tech path in OCC is not the most flexible.
(So, if you're gonna Oracle something with great success, it would be Aesthetics.)

I don't agree with you on GPP pollution and some other users regarding the value of gold in OCC but I'll leave it at that.
This is a fixed map that's 20+ years old, you'll figure it out

I went Stonehenge, Mids, Jewish Shrine, Aesthetics. I think it's good. As I said, killing Isabella early is what I believe to be the room for improvement. (Possibly unlocking the Oracle on top of it all.)

 

[CarpoolKaraoke]

I tried Mining/Masonry (Mids) /AH/Writing --> Oracle(Aesthetics) for France and it works pretty well in terms of worker turns and happiness cap.

Edit: Btw, I think England > France for this map.

 

[BornInCantaloup]

I just tried killing Isabella with warriors and that won't work with great benefits. Too bad.
Well, that answers my question.

 

[valergrad]

I tried Mining/Masonry (Mids) /AH/Writing --> Oracle(Aesthetics) for France and it works pretty well in terms of worker turns and happiness cap.

Edit: Btw, I think England > France for this map.

England can't steal first worker. And don't have marble. Is it really better?

 

[valergrad]

I went Stonehenge, Mids, Jewish Shrine, Aesthetics. I think it's good.

How have you got Judaism before any of 6 civs starting with Mysticism and having 30% bonus on science?
Probably you can't expect on that without huge luck ( e.q. getting masonry from top hut), or am I missing something?

 

[BornInCantaloup]

How have you got Judaism before any of 6 civs starting with Mysticism and having 30% bonus on science?
Probably you can't expect on that without huge luck ( e.q. getting masonry from top hut), or am I missing something?

Beeline is the answer. The AIs are less likely to research a wonder/religious tech once other Civs have unlocked it.
Polytheism is actually the tech that I beelined. But, then, I estimated that Judaism + Shrine + OR would be more valuable than the Oracle. I wouldn't have gone for it if I didn't think it would work.
2080 BC, I have Judaism and am 3 turns away from the Pyramids. I didn't risk the Oracle, at this point, and researched Pottery instead. Both the Oracle and the ToA were built shortly after in a far away land. 1320 BC, I have the Shrine. 475 BC, it yields close to 30g/t. I traded for Mining and Animal Husbandry when that became a possibility.

The Jewish shrine is huge on a map like this, giving astonishing yields and diplo control. Converting China, Persia, Russia and some other big civs is a stake (and the shrine does a good job at that). You can then buy resources, pay gold for techs or sustain an army, depending on the point of the game you're at.

 

[valergrad]

2080 BC, I have Judaism and am 3 turns away from the Pyramids.

Sorry. have you got Judaism at 2080? If yes - this was a big luck, as AI usually get it much earlier. Just tried several times - AI got it around 2500BC in 3 attempts, the longest was 2400BC.
I think 2080BC is really late for Judaism at this map.