Deny, Defend, Depose

[danjuno]

But he said why he picked her.

Still doesn't make picking her "left-wing". Barbara Lee? Sure. Kamala? Not by a long shot.

 

[Farm Boy]

I think you must have more meaning I didn't pick up on.

Not really. But it's a combination that's set to fail. Intentionally so*.

I mean, I guess one can move the borders, or enforce local regulations upon foreign shores. That would be the call of empire.

*Well, I guess that is contingent upon the regulations actually being the goal of the regulations. They could always be a tool for *****ing on locals in a power play.

 

[Voidwalkin]

Interesting that you assume the younger demographic, the majority of whom (if they have an opinion about it) do think the shooting is acceptable, are all "bougie edgelords." So are we to understand that you speak only for older voters?

That's, of course, if you assume that people always say what they think in a poll. And I'm not digging into how you historically treated political polling during the election, but I suspect you were skeptical of at least some polls that showed a Dem victory.

I'm intrigued that you didn't oppose conformity is good in and of itself!

This is a core philosophical difference between us of a great, great magnitude.

As it happens, suspicion a poll may be off by a few points and demonstrating concern Trump may be ahead was actually reasonable! That was a noted historical pattern in 2016, 2020, and yep, it played out in 2024, too!

You, on the other hand, are suggesting there is not a 5 point inaccuracy, but a 50! This is not a good interpretation.

 

[Zardnaar]

I'm intrigued that you didn't oppose conformity is good in and of itself!

This is a core philosophical difference between us of a great, great magnitude.

As it happens, suspicion a poll may be off by a few points and demonstrating concern Trump may be ahead was actually reasonable! That was a noted historical pattern in 2016, 2020, and yep, it played out in 2024, too!

You, on the other hand, are suggesting there is not a 5 point inaccuracy, but a 50! This is not a good interpretation.

Personally I not surprised Trump won. Thought/wanted Kamala to win but polls were close.

 

[Voidwalkin]

Personally I not surprised Trump won. Thought/wanted Kamala to win but polls were close.

John McIntyre, the RCP founder and chief, was attacked in the NYT because RCP didn't assign "weight" to a poll in its average. It took the polls exactly as they were and then just averaged them.

Which is what an average is supposed to do. Retrospectively, I think this is probably why RCP is more accurate. It was in 2024 and 2020, 2016 too. Seems like Dems following some wishful thinking at the elite level, with other polling averages weighting polls with Dems higher to be more impactful. NYT, 538, WAPO.

"Nah people said this but pollster not respectable" seems to have translated a little into "not what we wanna hear, ignored". Latter seems to be happening a bunch in modern American politics.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Moderator Action: This thread has certainly gone and stayed off the rails for some pages. I think it is time to give it a break. maybe some related news will break and we can get back Healthcare. Closed.