RickFGS
Deity
Jb1964 i need you to get us World Map from Babe, we can offer Monarchy and money in return, go ask what they want for it pls. Thks.
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killercane
Deity
We cant trade maps, unless that has been moved to Mapmaking by Rik.
jb1964
Hunter of Fish
2.4 - Map Trading
Screenshots and visual maps cannot be traded between teams until Map Making is researched. After that, teams are free to trade screenshots as a normal trade item. Verbal maps (descriptions of the terrain, however detailed, as long as no images are involved) are allowed without any prerequisite.
I will ask for it when I get a chance but I'm going to out of the loop until Sunday evening.
Tomorrow's my daughter's birthday and Friday I'm off for the weekend to fish in Lake Erie.
BTW Whomp's currently not available. I'll hit him w/ a PM.
Screenshots and visual maps cannot be traded between teams until Map Making is researched. After that, teams are free to trade screenshots as a normal trade item. Verbal maps (descriptions of the terrain, however detailed, as long as no images are involved) are allowed without any prerequisite.
I will ask for it when I get a chance but I'm going to out of the loop until Sunday evening.
Tomorrow's my daughter's birthday and Friday I'm off for the weekend to fish in Lake Erie.
BTW Whomp's currently not available. I'll hit him w/ a PM.
jb1964
Hunter of Fish
Appreciation for the techs has been sent and a request for the timing of Math and willingness & cost of world Map.
Be prepared for a reciprocal request for our map. Is there anything to our country and city layout that you would not want to divulge?
Be prepared for a reciprocal request for our map. Is there anything to our country and city layout that you would not want to divulge?
RFHolloway
Analyst in the UK
The tight spacing might make it obvious we are going for 100k? The potential passage to the south?
killercane
Deity
Damn RF is right. I think we should hold off on giving up our map. We really dont need their map too badly.
RickFGS
Deity
I dont agree, Babe as to be the most clear on the world map by know, they havve galleys and Lighthouse for ages, we profite a lot more the we lose.
If we have world map at this time we can plan the future much better, we are too closed in our shelf.
As for the passages i alreay lost 1 curragh trying it, so i estimate the lose of many galleys trying that passages, meaning the loss of production shields that could be making other things.
Lets just ask their map and what they want for it, we dont lose nothing for trying, then we argue, the price they ask will also give us an idea of what they know by now
If we have world map at this time we can plan the future much better, we are too closed in our shelf.
As for the passages i alreay lost 1 curragh trying it, so i estimate the lose of many galleys trying that passages, meaning the loss of production shields that could be making other things.
Lets just ask their map and what they want for it, we dont lose nothing for trying, then we argue, the price they ask will also give us an idea of what they know by now
killercane
Deity
Lets quit sending suicide curraghs/galleys, we are losing too much in trying to get them out and about. Let the others find us.
jb1964
Hunter of Fish
Thank you for getting my point. I'm going to suggest to the Babes that we purchase their world map minus the details of their lands. Let 'em blot it out but provide us some details as to routes and proximity to the others.
jb1964
Hunter of Fish
I got this in a PM from whomper in response to my questions about the other three:
A conversation w/ the Whomper this evening.
OK, here's the way I see it....
Saber is screwed and likely to be attacked by the Babes.
The Free/Council team is a beast and seems likey to be cranking on techs for a military beating on the rest of us until it's just them.
The GLib will set us free!
If we don't partner w/ the Babes militarily I think the F/C axis will beat on us one at a time until it's just them.
Now here's the hard part for me...
If we really do need to join w/ the Babes to put down the F/C axis it's going to be their 2 military forces vs. our 1.5 because we'll be pumping culture and not the huge numbers of units that we could.
Anyway, I've opened the robe for the Babes as to some of our plans and now they're willing to sign up for a deal to last until it's just us. Then we would be in a race to see if they could get to Domination before we could get to 100k. I say that we agree to the mono-a-mono pact and we can let them have minor advantages in land ownership while we keep our ICS cultural bomb hidded from sight.
It was funny, in another part of the conversation Whomper said his team thought we were asking for their map under false friendship and had intentions of turnig on them. They thought we were playing them. In a sense, we are playing them in that we're running the 100k factory under their noses but we're not aiming to have them killed ever.
Then again, we could tell them to pound it and sit back until the F/C axis came to crack our heads.
It would be fun if we could find a way to get the other axis to turn on each other. Long shot, but worth a daydream or two.
A conversation w/ the Whomper this evening.
Spoiler :
OK, here's the way I see it....
Saber is screwed and likely to be attacked by the Babes.
The Free/Council team is a beast and seems likey to be cranking on techs for a military beating on the rest of us until it's just them.
The GLib will set us free!
If we don't partner w/ the Babes militarily I think the F/C axis will beat on us one at a time until it's just them.
Now here's the hard part for me...
If we really do need to join w/ the Babes to put down the F/C axis it's going to be their 2 military forces vs. our 1.5 because we'll be pumping culture and not the huge numbers of units that we could.
Anyway, I've opened the robe for the Babes as to some of our plans and now they're willing to sign up for a deal to last until it's just us. Then we would be in a race to see if they could get to Domination before we could get to 100k. I say that we agree to the mono-a-mono pact and we can let them have minor advantages in land ownership while we keep our ICS cultural bomb hidded from sight.
It was funny, in another part of the conversation Whomper said his team thought we were asking for their map under false friendship and had intentions of turnig on them. They thought we were playing them. In a sense, we are playing them in that we're running the 100k factory under their noses but we're not aiming to have them killed ever.
Then again, we could tell them to pound it and sit back until the F/C axis came to crack our heads.
It would be fun if we could find a way to get the other axis to turn on each other. Long shot, but worth a daydream or two.
Daghdha
Absent Minded
Excellent jb. I think that was a constructive chat. Marines will be the key if we play it right and the big Q is if we can be close or even over the 100K limit by the. It has been on the table before but I cannot remember any of the bean counters coming up with a definate answer. I could try to make a draft on a mano a mano treaty including tech/rescource swapping. IF we're able to get a 100K before marines we may not need that many troops to aid Babes in their Sabre campaign since we can build an island fortress blocking the coasts with a shield of, say, 20 units. A lot of other, unpredictable, factors come in play of course so the important thing for the moment is not the details, but inking a big pic treaty on mano a mano.
RFHolloway
Analyst in the UK
There is one downfall with 100k - someone only needs to get to 60K to move the goal posts. Wouldn't it be funny if they could keep us at bay culturally and we could keep them at bay from domination (Holding 35% of the land would do it!) and it ended up being a space race!
Daghdha
Absent Minded
Come to think of it there's another Marine in the deck. The Council will have Hwachas instead of cannons and they have sea bombardment IIRC (correct me if I'm wrong here).
EDIT: I just pm'd Wotan to see if he is interested in discussing our plans in the language of heroes and glory, i.e. swedish.
EDIT: I just pm'd Wotan to see if he is interested in discussing our plans in the language of heroes and glory, i.e. swedish.
Daghdha
Absent Minded
FREE is NW of us and Wotan is thinking Kuningas might be planning a galley ship chain attack w knights. That would be to our N coast.
Babes will be sending Currency any turn and will then start Feud while we go Mono. He is all in for a long term agreement btw.
Babes will be sending Currency any turn and will then start Feud while we go Mono. He is all in for a long term agreement btw.
jb1964
Hunter of Fish
Whomper is staying off of MSN and has not given feedback regarding research. I'm off to another swim meet that will likely go late so I'm not sure we're going to get feedback from the Babes prior to our need to pass the save along.
If anything comes in I'll broadcast it to the Gonger world.
If anything comes in I'll broadcast it to the Gonger world.
jb1964
Hunter of Fish
OK, the Babes are going to try and bait Sabre into giving them data on the status of their wonder builds. Best of luck with that. See note in the spoiler.
After they finish Currency they're going to take a peak at whether or not the axis of dirtbags has built Engineering. If they have not they'll research that next.
We'll be getting Currency and an idea of if the Axis of Dirt is going balls out to Astro.
After they finish Currency they're going to take a peak at whether or not the axis of dirtbags has built Engineering. If they have not they'll research that next.
We'll be getting Currency and an idea of if the Axis of Dirt is going balls out to Astro.
Spoiler :
Daghdha
Absent Minded
Without saying anything else, would it be possible to get Whomp's definition of "finally"? I understood Wotan as Babes meeting Free right after they met us and that was some time ago. Don't know if it's important but if one of them is BS'ing we might find ourselves between a rock and a Motorhead gig.
RFHolloway
Analyst in the UK
In context it sounds like they had contact previously (and for a long time) but Free finally knows where Babe Island is (although not the passages off it).
From this I infer that babes were the ones doing the exploration.
jb1964
Hunter of Fish
I think that's exactly what it means but I will get clarification from Whomp the next time I see him. And if any of you want to strike a chat with him and post the resulting conversation please do so.
jb1964
Hunter of Fish
A PM from Wotan and my reply....
This is very interesting. The FC axis is not as far as I would have thought. If they had been clever enough to get Mono also it would have blinded us from seeing into their technology stack. Whatever.
IIRC, it's Mono, Theo, Education, Astro... Well, they're making a dash to Military Tradition. If they come back to the top tier then they'll be trying to land cavalry to take on muskets, bombardment and withering counter attacks. And that's assuming they can even land. No railroading into anyone's territory this time. Sorry guys, I'm not impressed. Dashing for Astro and sending knights would have been better.
Babes, you rule the oceans for the time being, and for longer than I thought the Axis of Dirt would allow, so how do we take advantage of this?
Wotan said:
This is very interesting. The FC axis is not as far as I would have thought. If they had been clever enough to get Mono also it would have blinded us from seeing into their technology stack. Whatever.
IIRC, it's Mono, Theo, Education, Astro... Well, they're making a dash to Military Tradition. If they come back to the top tier then they'll be trying to land cavalry to take on muskets, bombardment and withering counter attacks. And that's assuming they can even land. No railroading into anyone's territory this time. Sorry guys, I'm not impressed. Dashing for Astro and sending knights would have been better.
Babes, you rule the oceans for the time being, and for longer than I thought the Axis of Dirt would allow, so how do we take advantage of this?
