Diplo for Team BABE

From my warmongering and cheeky part of the brain it could be they might be stalling everything because the minute we get the GLib a fleet of galleys of MW-babes arrive at our coast. With Pyramids and GLib and almost no military we are a juicy target.
Not very likely, but that would come to my mind why they could be delaying the treaty. Just a thought.
Very clever indeed. That would make it possible to whack us w/o violating anything. The more I think of it, the more likely it sounds. It's been a week since I mailed the draft and we haven't gotten any response besides "Sorry, we're looking into it". It's time to demand a written reply. If we don't get one within, say 24hrs, we will take that as a "no thanks" and act accordingly. We might have been blinded by the "Us against the rest"-thing. We have no horsies and Babes will get Mono before they sends us Feud. They will deny us Feud and get Knights and hit us before we have time to build up. The Sabre war is just smoke and will happen after they have steamrolled us. Having us build the GLib for them, and denying their next sitting duck, is excellent strategy.
I will write a mail to Babes asap :scan:
 
If you tell them we're pulling our MP's to cover the open coast to prevent Babe landings and that both research and prodcution will suffer accordingly you should get a quick reply.

I have not been looking at the builds but I hope we've been making some warriors.

Hey Cane, have the Babes been sailing ships close enough to our shores to keep an eye on openings?
 
OK, this goes to Babes mailbox:

Spoiler :
Hi there Babes
Some of us Gongers are beginning to make up stories about your apperently vague interest in inking a deal with us. Some even say there is a hidden agenda behind that, an agenda that in no way plays in Gongers favour. Very much not so, some say. In fact we're about to send a lot of Gongers to the south coast just look out over the ocean to see if you've fallen asleep. This is not good because they would be of better use as MP's (The Beer Pyramid effect. People are zonked y'know).
To put an end to thees fantasies we require a written response to our suggested treaty. You've had 1 week to put something together and have produced zip and nothing besides "Ooops, sorry". The quality of team Babes players is far beyond that.
From our point of view, the treaty must be signed and sealed by both teams before further trading take place (first stop Mono for Feud) or we will concider your silence a "No Thanks" from Babes.

Best
Daghie, Behind the Beer Kit
 
I would raze both cities and gift every tech we have to Sabre before I would let them benefit from either wonder.

Of course, but that would take the fun out of our show. It would be too cool if we can pull off the 100k. :D
 
OK guys... Knowing that Daghie was sending a note to the Babes I took advantage of the situation and used it as an opportunity to figuratively put my arm around our pals and tell them that we needed action, RIGHT NOW! :mad:

Daghdha, your note the them was perfect and we got the response we were looking for.

Here's what I sent and received...

Spoiler :
Originally Posted by jb1964 to Whomp and Wotan said:
Hello gentlemen. The fact that treaty amendment and/or ratification appears to be dragging out is starting to bring the more paranoid amongst us to the surface.

To counter a real or imagined threat will slow down everything. Popping more units to cover all gaps will add to our overhead, which in turn will slow research.

I know it sounds silly but that’s the situation that’s begun to take root over the past couple of days.

Daghie posted that he would send you a note. I’m not posting any info to team Gong on this PM so that you might be more confidant that what I’m saying here is in fact becoming a problem. I’m curious as to how Daghie’s post will read.

jb
Whomp's response...

I asked for someone to add 20gpt and our seal. It should be to you today.

Without a research partner the Babes are going to get clubbed like baby seals and they have no interest in playing nice w/ Sabre (this is not confirmed but seems correct). The FC axis has no need for the Babes unless they are all part of the 3 and we are part of the 2, or more corectly, 1 + 1. A Babe plan to take us and then Sabre before the FC axis could respond does sound sexy but it would spell doom for the Babes. That is, unless they were going to hold the outlying islands as a diversion while turning the homeland into a cultural monster.

Even though I personally think a Babe invasion is not in the cards for us I think momentum towards shore protection is completely in order.
 
A conversation w/ Whomper where he tells me that the Babes settled the one tile jungle island off of the Sabre coast! I'm totally amused.

If the map is true to the game then that tile could have been home to what resource other than Rubber?

Could be coal don't forget!
 
Just got this from Whomper....

We have a treaty....

Spoiler :
Here's the treaty. I don't have email access so pm was best.
I put noparse so you could post it.

THE GONG BABES TREATY

Rules of the House

Military:

No Fighting
-Teams Gong and Babes will live in peace and not take any miltary action towards each other, nor will they in any other way support a third party in conflict with the other part in this treaty.

No Gatecrashing
-Entering each others territory is prohibited unless the other part accepts the visit. Visitors are required to announce type and number of units before entering.

Techs:


Spead the gossip
-Teams Gong and Babes will collaborate in research of new technologies. No third team is to be part of this collaboration unless teams Gong and Babes both agree on that. There will be a discussion regarding tech speed going into each tech. Any delay per the discussion will equal to lump sum 20g per turn of delay.

There's a tab set up behind the bar

-Negotiations on details will take place whenever the situation calls for it. If teams cannot agree in negotiations, the tech part of the treaty may be nullified in all, alternatively put on hold until an agreement can be reached.

Rescourses:

Share and share alike
-When possible, teams Gong and Babes will share rescourses needed for optimal development of our civs. No luxury/rescourse is to be denied the other part as long as an agreed payment for it can be carried out.
-Trading luxes/rescourses with third party is only allowed if both teams agree.

Duration:

Lock in lasts till dawn

This treaty is valid from the date that both teams have sealed it.
It will last until both teams are the last ones standing.
This treaty can otherwise only be canceled if (1) both teams agree on doing so, or (2) if one side delibriatly violates it.
The Babes and our stamp of approval.

[plain]
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My response to Whomp and the Babes....

Spoiler :
Heya Whomp.....

The 20gpt penalty was already talked over and agreed to in the Gong camp so consider this a sealed deal.

Nice doing business w/ you.

BTW, the GLib is still out there and we're now 3 turns away. We should assume that we're going to bag this thing and start planning near term events.

Beer Regards,

jb
 
Here's my reply to Whomper. When would we like contact? At this point Saber and the FC-Axis will know we have the GLib so whether or not they stop trading is already a done deal.

Thoughts?

reply by jb said:
Whomp said:
jb1964 said:
Expect a most obnoxious post from Daghie w/ a graphic of the Gong Library.

It's finally complete. Please provide what update you can on the technological accomlishments of the FC Axis. My assumption is that once they have Mono that that's a good sign that the lower tier is complete.

However, once the find that we have the Lib they'll likely stop trading techs for as long as they can hold out.

I'm looking forward to discussing the next moves...
1) Timing on trading contacts
2) Settling up our tech/gold account
3) To wait, or not, on researching to Education and on to Astro...
4) Order of battle and what we can do to help in the pre-Astro time period..
Awe.SOME! This game has just turned in Gong/Babe favor.
When do you want contact? I don't see any reason to delay since Free/Council can't stop research on something and start on another.

I think it's best to wait and see what techs pop up and determine when it's best to start towards astro.
In the meantime, keep collecting cash and rush/short rush to build the science and commerce juggernaut.

We should get online this weekend because now the fun begins.

Heya Whomp,

The call for contact is past my paygrade so I'll cc: the senior members of the staff and post in the Diplo thread.

Nobody has responded to Daghie's posting thus far so I'm thinking they haven't figured it out or they're pissed.

I'll be around this weekend so we'll talk.
 
We should build up military. The moment we push culture it will become obvious to the Babes that we will go for 100k. No other team than the Babes will be able to stop us, so they will discuss whether breaking the contract is an option. If I were them I would seriously consider to break the treaty as otherwise the whole game is lost for all other teams. We cannot be that naive. :rolleyes:
 
Mark is correct. Even if they are just warriors to stand on the shoreline.
 
our leverage over the Babes is the techs we will collect. As long as they are still in need of those they cannot attack. The moment the do techs and the lib would go up in smoke.

That would leave the Babes behind in techs to the FC axis and forced to try and make nice w/ Saber. From all that I've been able to gather there is no interest on the Babes part to prop up, or align w/ Saber at all.

I agree we need the military but we still hold the keys as far as the Babes are concerned.
 
I agree with that. They depend on us for some time. I am just saying we should get prepared. :) The time will come when the world will pay us a visit.
 
The big question is the contacts. When do we want them? I think sooner rather than later because now that they know we have the Lib having, or not having contact isn't going to change their behavior.

So here's a somewhat uneducated vote for having the Babes send the contacts next turn.
 
I think sure lets have the contacts, but maybe in like 5 turns. It will make Mono cheaper for the others, but they will probably shoot towards Education. So we can get that, have all the culture done, work on select unis since they are so expensive, and build military (not necessarily in that order). Contacts will show our population count to the others though; this will be lower after we whip stuff, and may prevent an invasion with Astro.

Im kind of thinking we should continue to stay in Feudalism, but later Republic will come in handy with Navigation and ocean trade. 4 mps and cathedrals should allow us to run 0 lux. We would need some lux in Republic not to mention unit costs. But I really dont know. We need some 50 units to coastal block most squares to direct a landing to where we want it, then at least another 50 units to be able to destroy invaders.

With say 10 cities in Republic, and 40 towns we can support maybe 90 units (cities 3 support, towns 1.5). 10 workers +10 units is a bit of gold to pay. 1 starting content+temple+cathedral+Sistines+2 luxs= 10 content, is that enough to keep everyone happy with no lux slider? We can trade 2 luxes from BABEs with Navigation for everyone happy but if we whip stuff we will still have some unhappy and require markets.
 
Daghdha said:
The problem dealing w/ Babes is the juggernaut of science and commerce that they wanna build. Our juggernaut is a cult one and we already have what we need for it (almost). That said, we should be able to come up with some sort of understanding

Taking Daghdha's note here under advisement, I'm trying to understand how we work w/ the Babes from this point forward.

There was a consensus, chatter at least, that we would take a modified isolationist stance but do what we can to encourage war.

The assumption is that Free and Councel have a most wonderful relationship that's mutually bent on world domination.

Over here we have the Babes apparently bent on military conquest and their #1 military supports that. We, however, are currently not much of a military conquest partner at the moment.

Since the Babes, and the rest of the world will come to see us as a cultural threat I would like to come to some sort of understanding w/ the Babes that we go for the Culture win, they go for domination, and we do this in some sort of bizzare, equitable manner.

If anyone has an idea as to how to accomplish that let me know.
 
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