Whomp says:
sup dere kid
jb1964 says:
heya, just typing in the gong thread
Whomp says:
i sent a funny message to saber
jb1964 says:
funny? that's probably in the eye of the beholder
Whomp says:
Dear Saber,
We are willing to adjust the price per tech. We need to understand what Council is offering and we'll lower our price. However, if you are building Glib we need to know immediately since we'd find that a serious breach in our relationship. We can adjust our build to Leo's (potentially) or Hanging Gardens (to start our GA). Please let us know your intentions so we can plan accordingly.
Whomp says:
keeping them on their toes hehe
Whomp says:
everyone says i'm evil...
Whomp says:
actually that's the last one
jb1964 says:
Yes, you are evil, but in a nice way'
Whomp says:
Hi Dutchfire,
We haven't heard from you lately so I thought we thought we'd try you at this address. It seems we lost out on our bid for the Glib and were caught by surprise since we thought you were building it too. We're talking to Gong about selling our contacts for techs to help keep pace.
We thought it might be an interesting proposal to gift you up and have you research (and your free IA) while we run cash so we can rush buildings for the rush into the IA.
Just thought we'd throw it out there and see if you'd be interested in some type of deal.
Regards,
The Babes
Whomp says:
:E
jb1964 says:
sweet
Whomp says:
we'll see if they respond
jb1964 says:
OK, where do we go from here?
Whomp says:
i think we should give contact
Whomp says:
i'm not sure what the downside is
jb1964 says:
If we get contact w/ the others does it make Mono less expensive for them or does the cost drop even w/o the contacts
Whomp says:
it does make mono less valuable
jb1964 says:
OK, we're somewhat landlocked until Astro... but you are not...
jb1964 says:
I think it comes down to when you need the lower tier techs...
Whomp says:
Right so we can either wait till we finish chiv
Whomp says:
knowing salt would be huge
jb1964 says:
You're about 5 turns from Chiv, correct
Whomp says:
and if they're going MT they may not stop
jb1964 says:
We'll, if the GLib is going to deter them from researching then there's nothing we can do to change that.
Whomp says:
they can't stop researching
Whomp says:
or else it forces the other team to research if they've been saving cash
Whomp says:
if they've researched to chem we're in really good shape
jb1964 says:
Do either of the Axis have Mono?
Whomp says:
i don't think so but let me look at the thread
Whomp says:
or save might be better
jb1964 says:
sorry, missed the disconnect
Whomp says:
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Whomp says:
hehe
Whomp says:
i'm opening the save
Whomp says:
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Whomp says:
interesting
Whomp says:
free has it and council does not
Whomp says:
so it doesn't matter if we give contact
Whomp says:
saber is down construction, myst, HBR, MM, lit and poly
Whomp says:
hehe
jb1964 says:
If Free has it then I would take that as a sign that the lower teir is done
jb1964 says:
I'll make a snap Gong call here and tell you to send the contacts....
Whomp says:
only one of them could research
Whomp says:
the lower
Whomp says:
so council may have researched and shared cash
jb1964 says:
Why would they not do that together?
Whomp says:
can't
jb1964 says:
I'm not following
Whomp says:
it's invention, powder, chem, metal, MT
Whomp says:
it's a straight line no offshoots
jb1964 says:
I figured they would go along together alternately researching.... sharing as they go
Whomp says:
you need mono, educ, physics to open up the path
Whomp says:
astro then physics
jb1964 says:
You don't ned mono to get to MT
Whomp says:
nope
Whomp says:
it's a straight line after engineering and feud
jb1964 says:
Right, however, we here are expecting to get a nice return on the investment in the GLib.... In the form of techs from the Axis....
Whomp says:
i'm sure we will
jb1964 says:
If I'm beind dense please point it out
Whomp says:
engineering, invention, gunpowder and possibly chem, metal and maybe even MT
Whomp says:
doubt they've gone that far
jb1964 says:
OK, nevermind, I'm obviously mis-reading an earlier post...
Whomp says:
and we're giving chiv which they won't have which tells me they went straight to MT
jb1964 says:
Well, I'm sure we'll sit on our butts in our Library until we get a payout....
jb1964 says:
Then start making runs at the next key techs, etc...
Whomp says:
yep turn off research and wait
jb1964 says:
back
Whomp says:
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Whomp says:
my question is whether we should start on theo in earnest or wait
jb1964 says:
I take it that Free has Mono but not Theo...
Whomp says:
i presume they just got it cuz council doesn't have it
jb1964 says:
OK...
Whomp says:
want me to look at a previous save?
jb1964 says:
BTW, how concerned are you that the Axis will find any utility in bringing in Saber to try and make things 3v2?
Whomp says:
not sure that's why i'm trying to keep saber in the loop
jb1964 says:
Lookint at the earier save could confirm so ya, please do that
jb1964 says:
OK, good job on toying w/ Saber BWT
Whomp says:
i think we're going to hit them
Whomp says:
shhh
Whomp says:
loose lips and all
jb1964 says:
It's been the theme about here so it's no big shocker
jb1964 says:
But I will keep it quiet
Whomp says:
they're kind of screwed with spears and swords
Whomp says:
it's ok i just don't want it to get to free/council/saber
jb1964 says:
That will not come via the Gongers...
Whomp says:
ok opening the other save
Whomp says:
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Whomp says:
Council did not have mono
jb1964 says:
I thought free had it...
Whomp says:
free had it the turn before
Whomp says:
so they didn't give it to council
Whomp says:
hmm
jb1964 says:
yes, interesting
Whomp says:
i wonder if Council saw what we saw on Saber
jb1964 says:
And easy target?
jb1964 says:
Or a Wonder build?
Whomp says:
yep because remember how saber added workers
jb1964 says:
yes
Whomp says:
they went from 8 to 10 to 12
Whomp says:
and starvation in the capital
jb1964 says:
we thought it was too late, but were not sure how close we were to getting to the flame
Whomp says:
still starving
jb1964 says:
starving, man they were pushing it...
Whomp says:
Saber's capital has been starving for awhile
Whomp says:
and the city next to it is size 12
jb1964 says:
Expect them to get Colossus soon
Whomp says:
including a mined desert
jb1964 says:
is the size 12 city a coastal city?
Whomp says:
yep
jb1964 says:
OK, good for them, otherwise it would be a real big firggin' loss
Whomp says:
huge because they're freakin ancient
Whomp says:
i'm a little concerned that council and free haven't been trading techs lately though
jb1964 says:
They have got to be just going nuts over there
Whomp says:
they'll need to cover every coastal tile there is
jb1964 says:
ye[
Whomp says:
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Whomp says:
we have extra horses btw so getting them to you is big
jb1964 says:
And we have the iron
Whomp says:
ok good
Whomp says:
now let's both get salt
jb1964 says:
I'm gonna be pissed if the Axis has all the lower tier techs in one camp and are going to get education to us prior to sharing...
Whomp says:
that would blow
Whomp says:
i'm thinking their recognition of saber would be recent
jb1964 says:
Send us the contacts so we can know sooner rather than later
Whomp says:
ok will do
Whomp says:
engineering is done
Whomp says:
now it's how far through the lower they gifted
jb1964 says:
Well, they're smart, I just don't want them to be mind-readers
Whomp says:
i know
Whomp says:
you've worked hard at this some it's time to get paid!
Whomp says:
*so not some
jb1964 says:
I'm very pleased w/ how this has gone, despite the drama, and would like a payout other than denial for Sabre
Whomp says:
no freakin' doubt
Whomp says:
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Whomp says:
here's the upshot
jb1964 says:
good, I need this...
Whomp says:
free may not have shared mono because council and us know free but not saber
Whomp says:
we don't have engineering so Saber would only know 1 other
Whomp says:
so their thinking might be the lower was fine to share
Whomp says:
and then race to education so saber wouldn't beat them
Whomp says:
meaning council and babe are sabers contacts
jb1964 says:
yes
Whomp says:
upon recognition of that they may already have researched past powder
Whomp says:
and pray they've shared to that point
jb1964 says:
Sorry, thinking hard, head hurting...
Whomp says:
me too
jb1964 says:
Short of invading Counsel I don't know how we force the sharing of the techs in the lower tier, assuning that they may be banked
Whomp says:
there's no way
Whomp says:
it would have to be researched
Whomp says:
which would just suck
jb1964 says:
True, still plan on sending the contacts, I might get vetoed by the team but I doubt it...
Whomp says:
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Whomp says:
i'm not sure why we wouldn't at this point
Whomp says:
we're not fooling anyone
jb1964 says:
ya
jb1964 says:
FYI, I'm just looking back on the earlier messages re: techs given to the Gongers, gold paid, etc...