DMI VII - Team BtS

[r_rolo1]

If we capture the city with the AP, will it still allow votes? I've never tried this but if we aren't able to build AP before the mystery oracle civ mad, taking it would probably still be a faster win than the conquest or domination that vanilla/warlords will probably (make that definitely ) go for.

The AP works for the owner, not for the builder.... I really think that a AP win would put us far ahead of the rest, but we haven't met mystery oracle civ ... I bet that is Mansa in another continent....

About horses.... Bindamel, any sign of war chariots or of pastures of invisible animals? Knowing if Hatty has WC is fulcral...

 

[Refar]

We don't have AH

Nuts. It was late yesterday

She has a Invisible Animal Pasture just NW of Heiopolis (Her most eastern City.)

 

[Ad Hoc]

Spears and Axes it is then,

 

[Bindamel]

Will play tomorrow night, most likely (about 22 hours from this post).

I will build an army of spears and axes for Cap'n r_rolo1 to lead into battle!

 

[Bindamel]

Okay, that was painful, for lack of a better or censored word.

The first thing I did was concentrate our 4 EP/turn on Hatty, as we were close to seeing her research:

She upped back, and we never did get to see it, though. We did get demographics, and our power rating is 0.6 vs. her.

I took a screenshot of the copper hookup, but it's more interesting to note that there are four visible barbarian warriors on the screen, and a red circle pointing to a fifth. That is one more warrior than we had at that point. Oh, and there was a barbarian archer 1E of the red circle warrior, btw.

Now for the bad part: I lost two warriors defending at 79% odds each, and a spearman attacking at 99.1%

I sacrificed a worker to prevent an archer vs. warrior attack on St. Petes that could have lost us the city. I was able to whip an axe there on the following turn, when St. Petes hit 2 pop.

Hatty plopped a city north of St. Petes on my last turn.

Both cities are at happy limits; Moscow has 20 turns of whip anger; St. Petes 7. I hired two scientists to prevent growth in Moscow; it would give us a GS in 9 turns. The other option would be to replace the worker. St. Petes is finishing a spear, and then maybe could be set on a worker, while waiting for the whip anger to wear off.

Sorry for the crappy turns, I did all I could think of, including raising cash, so we could upgrade a warrior, if necessary. On the plus side, we do have four axes, both of our cities, and will have a spear in two turns.

 

[Ad Hoc]

Don't think you could have done any better, i would think that with all the barb activity there's no one to the south or west of us.

 

[r_rolo1]

Ok, got it.... Will try to play tonight.

bad luck bout the barbs and the espionage thing.... But were delaying a lot our axe rush. I hope that we can still get it in time.....

 

[pawelo]

Feel it might be too late, or we have to multiply the number of axes.
Don't worry Bindamel, wasn't your fault (though you shouldn't have passed under this ladder ).

Are there many egyptian cities on the hill btw ?

 

[r_rolo1]

P.S My turnset will be spitted, due to the 500 BC checkpoint. Pawelo, don't pick the save ASAP

 

[r_rolo1]

Time for big decisions, team....

Started the turnset by MMing the capitol. I know that our research rate it's a almost flatline, but we need troops....

Spoiler :

Not much to say in 5 turns. Killed a barb archer.....

Spoiler :

And Hatty gave us a decision to make ( looks that she knew I was going to stop in 500 BC anyway ) :

Spoiler :

Clearly Hatty is ReXing ( how typical.... ). We're not ready to tacke her, but we need to stop her Now before it is too late ( 2 cities vs 6... )
Team, war or not?

Very short Log

Spoiler :

Logging by BUG Mod 2.11 (BtS 3.13)
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Turn 90/460 (625 BC) [19-Dec-2007 22:16:25]
St. Petersburg begins: Axeman (4 turns)

IBT:

Turn 91/460 (600 BC) [19-Dec-2007 22:19:44]
Axeman 3 of Moscow (Axeman) promoted: City Raider I
DEFAULT (Warrior) promoted: Woodsman I
A Mine was built near St. Petersburg
St. Petersburg finishes: Spearman

IBT:

Turn 92/460 (575 BC) [19-Dec-2007 22:23:48]
Axeman 1 of Moscow (Axeman) promoted: Combat I
Moscow finishes: Axeman

IBT:
While defending in the wild near St. Petersburg, Axeman 1 of Moscow (Axeman) defeats (2.20/5): Barbarian Archer (Prob Victory: 98.2%)

Turn 93/460 (550 BC) [19-Dec-2007 22:25:21]
Moscow begins: Axeman (5 turns)
St. Petersburg begins: Spearman (4 turns)

IBT:

Turn 94/460 (525 BC) [19-Dec-2007 22:26:03]

IBT:

Turn 95/460 (500 BC) [19-Dec-2007 22:26:55]

Will wait for input for 24 h. IMHO it is war...

 

[Refar]

I think its war. Taking out a settler deals a lot of damage to her, gives us a worker. As she's ReXing, she is probably not prepared as well. We kill the settler and then just use the units we have, to catch up what counter attack she might send. Not make to many incursions in her Territory, so she does not feel urged to whip to many units. In 4-5 turns when Hatty cooled of a bit, we make a Ceasefire (No treaty). She will come back to what she was doing before the war, and build Settlers for rexing again - the AI tends to do that. We continue Axe build up and strike again as soon as we are ready.

 

[Bindamel]

I have a tendency to get into long drawn out wars, where neither side gains much advantage, and peaceful AI runaway on techs. So long as we have a short term goal and stick to it, it should be fine.

We may want to consider taking advantage of some of the land west and south at some point though. That's a lot of barbarian spawning ground out there. I'm not sure when would be best though.

 

[pawelo]

I think our only option is war, though it's painfully late for axes
Still, it's Hatty.
Anyway, I go along Rafar plan - deal initial damage, cease fire, build up and DoW again. We can't restart like in an offline try

 

[Ad Hoc]

kill the settler, deal as much damage as possible and then a ceasefire.

 

[r_rolo1]

Looks like a almost unanimous vote.... War it is

Will play the rest of my turns today.

 

[r_rolo1]

There is a time for peace and a time for....

Spoiler :

Had some luck and killed both WC with a axe and a spear.... When killed last defender noticed that Alexandria had 2 defenders and 1 pop ( so no whipped unpleasant suprises ) Moved the troops there and with a lot of luck ( 1 of the axes had really low chances to win ( see log ) ) captured alexandria with no losses.

Spoiler :

Rest of the turn were uneventful, besides losing a axe to a barb archer and this:

Spoiler :

Hatty has been breaking the whip a la Cecil DeMille.....

Log

Spoiler :

Logging by BUG Mod 2.11 (BtS 3.13)
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Turn 95/460 (500 BC) [20-Dec-2007 19:39:33]
Spearman 2 of St. Petersburg (Spearman) promoted: Combat I
DMI VII(Russia) declares war on Hatshepsut(Egypt)
While attacking in the wild near St. Petersburg, Spearman 2 of St. Petersburg (Spearman) defeats (2.80/4): Egyptian War Chariot (Prob Victory: 96.2%)
Axeman 5 of Moscow (Axeman) promoted: Combat I
While attacking in the wild near St. Petersburg, Axeman 5 of Moscow (Axeman) defeats (2.15/5): Egyptian War Chariot (Prob Victory: 68.1%)
Axeman 1 of Moscow (Axeman) promoted: Combat II
St. Petersburg finishes: Axeman

IBT:
Attitude Change: Hatshepsut(Egypt) towards DMI VII(Russia), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'

Turn 96/460 (475 BC) [20-Dec-2007 19:46:32]
Axeman 5 of Moscow (Axeman) promoted: City Raider I

IBT:
Attitude Change: Kublai Khan(Mongolia) towards Hatshepsut(Egypt), from 'Annoyed' to 'Cautious'
Attitude Change: Kublai Khan(Mongolia) towards Washington(America), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'
Attitude Change: Washington(America) towards Kublai Khan(Mongolia), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'

Turn 97/460 (450 BC) [20-Dec-2007 19:47:56]
While attacking in Egyptian territory at Alexandria, Axeman 5 of Moscow (Axeman) defeats (1.45/5): Egyptian Archer (Prob Victory: 9.6%)
Spearman 2 of St. Petersburg (Spearman) promoted: Combat II
While attacking in Egyptian territory at Alexandria, Spearman 2 of St. Petersburg (Spearman) defeats (2.80/4): Egyptian War Chariot (Prob Victory: 92.2%)
Captured Alexandria (Hatshepsut)
Alexandria begins: Monument (31 turns)
Whip anger has decreased in St. Petersburg
Moscow finishes: Axeman
St. Petersburg grows: 4

IBT:

Turn 98/460 (425 BC) [20-Dec-2007 19:50:07]
Moscow begins: Axeman (5 turns)
While attacking in Russian territory near St. Petersburg, Axeman 2 of St. Petersburg (Axeman) defeats (4.45/5): Barbarian Warrior (Prob Victory: 100.0%)

IBT:
Confucianism founded in a distant land
Attitude Change: Kublai Khan(Mongolia) towards Hatshepsut(Egypt), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'

Turn 99/460 (400 BC) [20-Dec-2007 19:51:37]
A Mine was built near St. Petersburg
Axeman 5 of Moscow (Axeman) promoted: City Raider II
St. Petersburg finishes: Spearman

IBT:

Turn 100/460 (375 BC) [20-Dec-2007 19:52:34]
St. Petersburg begins: Axeman (5 turns)
While attacking in Russian territory at Moscow, Axeman 7 of Moscow (Axeman) loses to: Barbarian Archer (0.75/3) (Prob Victory: 94.8%)
While attacking in Russian territory at Moscow, Warrior 2 of Moscow (Warrior) defeats (1.62/2): Barbarian Archer (Prob Victory: 99.6%)

Thoughts

Sorry for not turtling as advised but the ocasion was too tempting... and Alexandria is in one of the spots we discussed for a city, so I saved a settler

Now, to turtle or not to turtle?... i'm not sure that pushing ahead is wise, and we have a nice grass FP spot to settle.....

P.S From now on turnsets will be of 10 turns. Pawelo, be free to pick it.....

 

[pawelo]

Third game UP - gonna be busy this week-end

And three wars...

Waiting your ideas about what we should do.
Just to stop hurting the AI in every single SG where I'm up, I'd say peace
And FP settling asap.

But then what - keep Hatty buddy-buddy and backstab her with maces ?

 

[pawelo]

I decided to wait a few more hours - it's a rather important moment so no need to rush it.

Awaiting group brain-storming

 

[r_rolo1]

Just sense the pulse of Hatty military vein..... if you can get a city by cunning manouvering and unmatched strayegy or to pillage something important, go ahead and do it. If you sense that Hatty is archer turtling or preparing to strike back ( BTW we need more spears ) sue for peace. We already have a quite decent prize for little losses and like I said before, I think that the grass FP city would come nicely now ( and letting hatty to found a religion would be cool too )

 

[pawelo]

Hatty, Hatty...

She just won't let us go

On the inherited turn, I moved some unmoved stacks.
Some troops got moving towards Memphis, defended by three archers on a plat land. I sensed an opportunity.

The first turn of my set was, well, very explicit:



What does he know ? I mean, he hasn't even visited us and yet he judges our mighty army ???

IBT Hatty killed our on copper axe with a tuned chariot of hers to empower the chart I've seen the turn before...

103
Axe in Moscow, I start the settler.
We need to extend ourself or else we are doomed
Axe - Spear in St Peter - it has a very very very nice prod capacity

I re-MM Moscow to work cottages while going for the settler. It drops the settler-time by 2 or 3 turns but does wonders in terms of research.

Our stack cuts Memphis from the remaining Egypt empire.

104
Troops arrive at Memphis doorstep : 3 axes and a spear vs 3 archers.

IBT
Somehow, a chariot quits the city. The road pillage was useless...

105
Attack on Memphis.
First C1 CR2 axe takes the archer at very little odds (28%). Two following axes are killed, yet managing to wound the ba$t@rd$ enough to make the spear complete a kill.

IBT
St Peter is attacked but the spear does the good job taking down the Hatty's WC (haha, I hear you laughing on this pathetic joke)

We lose one axe to a chariot too.

106
Our slightly wounded spear takes nicely the brand new chariot which appeared it the city by magic, leaving the wounded axe take the 0,3 strength archer.
And voilà:



Happy at the result, I call Hatty on the peacophone.
And what is the answer ?
GO AWAY AND TAKE YOUR PUNISHMENT LIKE A MAN.

Hey, I just took your city !
Still, she must have seen the powergraph stating that she has twice our power...

Will have to continue, for the good and the worst.

108
Spear - Spear in St Pete
Whip another one to get rid of uinhappiness

109
Spear - Spear in St Pete
Still no peace over the horizon

110
Chicken BiDL
Spear - Spear in St Pete (hurray the whip overflow)
Washy drops by proposing AH for Maths. I say and try to get Alpha from him for Maths and Polytheism. Didn't work... Maybe we should invest 1/2 turns on it and settle for Maths ?

What's the situation then :



No peace. Nada.
Still, we have 4 spears in St Peter. I'd suggest getting another one and taking 3 of them on a journey toward Hatty, cutting her WCs to pieces while going for the horse ressource. We have to get het on her knees and get this peace - it's getting cheesy and we need to develop ourself.

Construction in 1, then maybe a cat or two ?

Settler ready in 10, one worker gets the road done to the spot and has already farmed the FP.

Who's next on this funny ride ?

The Roster:

1. r_rolo1 played before and skipped Trieste
2. Trieste UP
3. pawelo who just played without looking at the roster
4. Ad Hoc who is on deck
5. Bindamel
6. Refar