Do Mentally Handicapped People Have The Right To Not Be Raped And Sexually Molested?
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useless
Social Justice Rogue
I am not going to get in a debate on this with you, it's a waste of time and not only will you not listen to me, you also pulled out some idiotic claim that implies that i am some "for incest" by declaring that catholicism will be branded as incestophobes clearly implying that i accepting of such a thing. I am not.
useless
Social Justice Rogue
Basically it's rape, no?
useless
Social Justice Rogue
I didn't mention it, it was Civ_King.
The center isn't trying to convert them to homosexuals. I think they're trying to find an outlet for their inappropriate sexual behavior by encouraging/allowing them to have sex with each other. Obviously they can't have sex with women. Well maybe they could arrange conjugal visits but I imagine the number of women interested in having sex with them would be practically none.
I'm not saying I agree with this form of treatment. When they were free and out of the center they were able to have sex so I don't think sexually abusing people just came out of not having someone to have sex with. With the mentally challenged people of course it would be a lot more difficult to find a sex partner.
I do think they should be allowed to have sex with each other if it's consensual but it sounds like this is a form of treatment made by the person who founded the center (who is a woman, not a gay man) and there's some risk doing this with sex abusers and I'm skeptical about it helping but I'm not a psychologist so who knows.
I'm not saying I agree with this form of treatment. When they were free and out of the center they were able to have sex so I don't think sexually abusing people just came out of not having someone to have sex with. With the mentally challenged people of course it would be a lot more difficult to find a sex partner.
I do think they should be allowed to have sex with each other if it's consensual but it sounds like this is a form of treatment made by the person who founded the center (who is a woman, not a gay man) and there's some risk doing this with sex abusers and I'm skeptical about it helping but I'm not a psychologist so who knows.
The thread title asks do these people have the right... If the law says they do, they do. Outside of such a law, there's no automatic right of anyone to anything unless a particular society in a particular era feels there should be and enacts a law to enshrine it.
Asking instead should these people have such a right is a very different question. If there is no law at present, or there is but it's confused or confusing or out of step with widespread public feeling, then perhaps it's good to debate what society (and in this case, modern American society) wants.
Asking instead should these people have such a right is a very different question. If there is no law at present, or there is but it's confused or confusing or out of step with widespread public feeling, then perhaps it's good to debate what society (and in this case, modern American society) wants.
I said "we" meaning you me and others, I didn't say you supported incest, I said the opposite! And why do you think they can't consent? The only thing keeping it illegal is a large quantity of ickiness
these people need psychological which it doesn't seem like they are getting, instead it seems like they are in a prison
generalstaff
Steadfast
Our prisons are fully of the mentally handicapped, where they are abused as well. As a country, our treatment of the mentally handicapped is shameful; we either send them to an abusive institution or leave them homeless on the streets.
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
You should have seen the photo in the paper of the "facilities" in the paper this morning. No, this "non-profit" was apparently screwing the American taxpayers by directing the overwhelming majority of the money to the salaries of the "staff", who even made at least some of the people they were ostensibly supposed to be helping captives in their facilities for entirely bogus reasons.
At least things seem to be improving, apparently due entirely to the efforts of the St Pete Times to keep this "non-profit" at least somewhat accountable for their past conduct.
It truly is execrable and deplorable. The mentally ill are the new lepers of society
useless
Social Justice Rogue
Reagan pretty much screwed them over.
Yes he did, in addition to the numerous other groups he screwed over, IIRC he was the one to put Mandela and his organization on the blacklist...
generalstaff
Steadfast
Throw the most vulnerable to the wolves and help those who do not need help (i.e. tax cuts for the rich, corporate welfare). Welcome to America.
Between what Reagan did to the mentally ill and Iran-Contra, I do not understand why/how the Republican Party thinks of him as Jesus 2.0.
M
Moonbat
Guest
Institutions are like this. Then there's people demanding the tax payers be taken away more money to give to these abusive institutions. Those people demanding more money to the institutions don't care about the people, they care about buying off their sins. It's a way to push their responsibilities to someone else. Then they go all: "Oh dear, how bad these people are treated! Someone do something! Them evil right-wingers!" Sickening hypocrites.
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
What "sins" are created by trying to treat everybody as human being with rights no matter their mental or physical handicaps? How exactly is that "hypocrisy" to think so?
mangxema
I
I worry about this kind of thing a lot actually, as my brother is severely mentally disabled.
Umm... especially if funded by taxpayer dollars!? I really don't see how the organization matters at all here.
I guess it depends on the level of functioning. I'm more familiar with the more severe end of the spectrum, so my gut is to say it doesn't matter. If they are deemed incapable of making decisions, then obviously they can't make decisions. I'm not sure why someone would be in a home if they were higher functioning though. In those case then I guess yeah, innocent until proven guilty.
Not really. Government care would be just as bad, if not worse. Whenever anyone talks about cutting entitlement benefits, these are the people who get screwed the most. Nobody cares about these guys, outside of their immediate family. And objectively, it makes sense. They're expensive to care for, and their condition never goes away. It's a terrible drain on the system. Plus, the ******ed don't vote. At least in the case of a charity, people know what they're getting into.
Umm... especially if funded by taxpayer dollars!? I really don't see how the organization matters at all here.
I guess it depends on the level of functioning. I'm more familiar with the more severe end of the spectrum, so my gut is to say it doesn't matter. If they are deemed incapable of making decisions, then obviously they can't make decisions. I'm not sure why someone would be in a home if they were higher functioning though. In those case then I guess yeah, innocent until proven guilty.
Not really. Government care would be just as bad, if not worse. Whenever anyone talks about cutting entitlement benefits, these are the people who get screwed the most. Nobody cares about these guys, outside of their immediate family. And objectively, it makes sense. They're expensive to care for, and their condition never goes away. It's a terrible drain on the system. Plus, the ******ed don't vote. At least in the case of a charity, people know what they're getting into.
... Yeah, there's acceptable sexual contact between consenting mentally handicapped people and then there's rape. This seems to be the latter, far more than the former. While there is scope for the former, it needs to be recognised that adequate safeguards must be put in place to ensure against the latter happening. It isn't always easy to determine which is which, but this place doesn't even seem to have been bothered to even try. That would be grounds, in my opinion, to close them down; people like this shouldn't be operating regardless of whether they're a charity, a corporation or public. A lawsuit would also be appropriate at this point as well.
You ain't ever been near any of these facilities have you? THEY MUST BE CATHOLICS THOUGH AMIRITE?
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You ain't ever been near any of these facilities have you? THEY MUST BE CATHOLICS THOUGH AMIRITE?
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Shaihulud
Deity
For $100,000/person and such poor conditions? It is outrageous of course, an easier solution would be to chemically castrate such persons especially those inclined to rape. "Quiet time" among inmates may be permitted, however actively encouraging such to the point of pushiness is rubbish.
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