Swedishguy
Deity
I like the chinese immigrants. Without them there would be no chinese restaurants. Without chinese restaurants --> 
Do you like China?
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plarq
Crazy forever
If our country fight the west, I would be the No.1 traitor.
Bozo Erectus
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I like Chinese thought, the wisdom that Confucious taught. If Darwin is anything to shout about, the Chinese will survive us all without any doubt.
Masquerouge
Deity
I have to say that I'm fascinated by how scared the US appears to be of China.
"Oh NOES they're building TEH ARMY!"
I'm neutral about them. I think that the anomaly is that China was NOT the world power in the last 3 centuries.
"Oh NOES they're building TEH ARMY!"
I'm neutral about them. I think that the anomaly is that China was NOT the world power in the last 3 centuries.
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I like Mainland China, and unlike many of the youngsters here and abroad, I have no fear that there will be a cross-strait war, even if MZD declares independence. The economic dependence is too strong for there to be any risk of a war.
If MZD actually declares independence it would be in Mainland's best interest not to engage in a hot war. If it does, there will be a chance (0%-100%) that it'll lose the influence that it has already. If it doesn't, and continues to declare Taiwan as part of China, but takes no action, then they've preserve the status quo. MZD can not blockage trades with US and Europe, because the Americans and Europeans will have to power to bypass that. MZD can try to free the assets of the citizens, but that would be a final blow to their already low ratings.
What China need to focus on now is the pollution. It can not continue to grow as it is growing without taking care of people's health. It has plenty of laws, but I doubt they're enforced. Every time I go to China on a business trip I can smell the difference.
If MZD actually declares independence it would be in Mainland's best interest not to engage in a hot war. If it does, there will be a chance (0%-100%) that it'll lose the influence that it has already. If it doesn't, and continues to declare Taiwan as part of China, but takes no action, then they've preserve the status quo. MZD can not blockage trades with US and Europe, because the Americans and Europeans will have to power to bypass that. MZD can try to free the assets of the citizens, but that would be a final blow to their already low ratings.
What China need to focus on now is the pollution. It can not continue to grow as it is growing without taking care of people's health. It has plenty of laws, but I doubt they're enforced. Every time I go to China on a business trip I can smell the difference.
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
I've never been to China so I can't say.
scipian
Czar
Taiwan or the Commies? I suppose you mean the People's Republic of China. I have a very derogatory attitude towards the government. I admire their culture but unfortunately, Mao did his best to wipe away all that. Concerning the people... I have nothing against them but my world traveling brother hates what he saw while teaching English there.
colontos
King
Ho Chi Minh imprisoned thousands of his political opponents and had many of them killed because of their political opinions. Many of them were also leftists, just not toeing the party line. Good leader?
Deng Xiaoping = Tiananmen Square masscre. Good leader?
Zhou Enlai was Mao's right hand man. He approved of, supported, and helped to implement Mao's programs, which, as we know, led to the deaths of tens of millions. Good leader?
Gorbachev is the best out of these. He seems to have been a fairly decent human being. And look what happened! Get a decent guy in there, and the system collapses. Communism relies on repression and sadism. Get a nice guy in, give the people a little information about life under capitalism, and the whole house of cards comes tumbling down.
I wouldn't build any statues to Gorbachev, though, unless you're also in the business of building them to Karl Doenitz.
CaptainF
The Professional Poster
Teh good:
1)Interesting, long history/culture
2)Cool movies
3)Nice chicks
4)Awesome scenery
5)Despite the authoritarianism, the government has lifted hundreds of millions from poverty through reforms
6)The food of course
Teh bad:
1)Communism
2)Authoritarian government
3)Cultural revolution (WTH was Mao thinking??
)
4)Pollution is pretty bad, so I hear.
5)Tibet
6)Tianamen Square, etc...
1)Interesting, long history/culture
2)Cool movies
3)Nice chicks
4)Awesome scenery
5)Despite the authoritarianism, the government has lifted hundreds of millions from poverty through reforms
6)The food of course
Teh bad:
1)Communism
2)Authoritarian government
3)Cultural revolution (WTH was Mao thinking??
)4)Pollution is pretty bad, so I hear.
5)Tibet
6)Tianamen Square, etc...
People say Tibet, but nothing about Xinjiang? What have the Uighurs done to you to merit forgetting their plight? 
Dann
Green bug
Er... because they're not peacenik Buddhists like the Tibetans and actually went through a terrorist phase in the 1990s? 
Yeah them both losing their independence is sad, but it's partially their own fault - Xinjiang/Uyghuristan never completely broke free even in China's weakest days, while Tibet broke free but didn't take steps to develop a military or form alliances that would protect it. What's done is done. We can't turn back the clock.
Besides, they're better off now than they would have been on their own. (All of China could do without the Cultural Revolution though.)
Yeah them both losing their independence is sad, but it's partially their own fault - Xinjiang/Uyghuristan never completely broke free even in China's weakest days, while Tibet broke free but didn't take steps to develop a military or form alliances that would protect it. What's done is done. We can't turn back the clock.
Besides, they're better off now than they would have been on their own. (All of China could do without the Cultural Revolution though.)
plarq
Crazy forever
Er...because the West hate Muslims after cold war? At least one of the Student Union Leaders during Tiananmen Square Incident is from Xinjiang, but that's before the collapse of USSR and the tension between Muslims and the west.
I've heard that people from Xinjiang have a harder time to get a visa to US.
It's not Xinjiang's fault, it's Russian problem. Mongolia independent, but Inner Mongolia/Xinjiang don't. Guess the Russians oppressed Xinjiang too much and they turn to China.
War with Taiwan is very unlikely, not before a successful coup, and you know no one has ever couped the Chinese commies! Also the war would be mutual suicide and the most unfortunate incident of all Chinese.
Agreed. Middle Asian countries have better chance than Iran/Pakistan/Iraq. Although I'm a die-hard opposer of Chinese Imperialism, I'm not in favor of British/Russian/Japanese/Spanish/US imperialism.
I've heard that people from Xinjiang have a harder time to get a visa to US.
It's not Xinjiang's fault, it's Russian problem. Mongolia independent, but Inner Mongolia/Xinjiang don't. Guess the Russians oppressed Xinjiang too much and they turn to China.
War with Taiwan is very unlikely, not before a successful coup, and you know no one has ever couped the Chinese commies! Also the war would be mutual suicide and the most unfortunate incident of all Chinese.
Agreed. Middle Asian countries have better chance than Iran/Pakistan/Iraq. Although I'm a die-hard opposer of Chinese Imperialism, I'm not in favor of British/Russian/Japanese/Spanish/US imperialism.
Shaihulud
Deity
It was something that needs be done. Most Chinese would not say that it is a bad thing, abit harsh, but not something that important. people also have little resepct for the student protesters.
Zhou Enlai was the premier of China, but Mao was the party leader and had the power. There were many people who tried to lessen Mao's hold and suffered for it during the cultural revolution.
Running over student protesters in tanks for expressing their opinions was a good thing? Good grief.
CartesianFart
Deity
Yes and no; and why,because i don't know; and why not,because i really dont know.
Red Threat
52ª brigata Garibaldi
I am scared of China. Their confucian background is in strong contrast with the classical liberal (in the European sense) view of the man that the westerns have. And one day these two different weltanschaaungen may clash.
Shaihulud
Deity
No tanks ran over students, it is a western propaganda. People were arrested, some students obtained weapons and a firefight started, people got killed.
plarq
Crazy forever
I don't hate students, but I could care less about their lives. Since we're not built on a humanitarian base of values, I couldn't really say that the sacrifice of students for democracy is worth anything, and I'm so sure that their blood ran in vain.
Blood only leads to more blood, it can't wake our people.
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