do you like the forum split?

[Murky]

I have to say it makes the forums seem a bit more cheesy and confusing than before.

On the other hand, I wouldn't walk in as a guest somewhere and start telling them how to arrange their furniture.

 

[Grisu]

I've been absent for some time and only learned of it pretty much when it was implemented, but I have to say I like the change. Sure, there are some things things that annoy some guys (like the postcount thingy, though I absolutely fail to understand why it's so important).

what kinda suprised me was the outrage over the date. Personally, I thought it rather funny in a non-joke kinda way. But even if you don't like it one little bit, I think some of you are rather overdoing the outrage thingy over this....lighten up

 

[jtb1127]

On the other hand, I wouldn't walk in as a guest somewhere and start telling them how to arrange their furniture.

But when asked whether you like the way their furniture is arranged you would.

 

[aronnax]

Honestly, I just came back from my weekly training book ins to find the forum in this mess.
So, I'm confused and feel vulnerable now that I can no longer locate the Altered Maps thread...

If I had a problem with the split is deciding where the line is drawn between serious and light-hearted threads.

 

[Tarquelne]

Nah. What it'll do is it'll kill discussion because people who hold horribly objectionable opinions that troll normal people by their mere existence will be even more explicitly protected because they're not, technically, trolling. So we get more of the same, which will drive away sensible posters and turn this place into a wasteland.

You say "wasteland" only because you think a discussion should be more than an extended and rancorous fact-checking session on the part of most so-called "normal" posters. But it's the future. Except, N DA FCHA IT WL LL B LLZ TLK.

 

[Takhisis]

Speaking for myself, I get the complaints about how some things have been perceived as being presented or discussed dismissively. I'm sorry if it's come off that way. We don't intend to give that impression, but perhaps frequent interaction/argument on contentious issues can lead us to be a bit abrupt.

I'm not too sure about the April 1st complaint though. Perhaps it's that you felt like the butt of the joke? I don't know. But from the perspective that it's meant to be a positive change, announcing it on April 1st (which, BTW, served as a very useful deadline, without which, for better or worse, staff discussions can become pretty interminable) doesn't strike me as bad timing. Our intention was certainly not to piss people off with the change date, but to provide some entertainment value (to the extent that April Fools day things are entertaining). Guilty as charged if you think this is far too serious a change for us to be trying to inject some levity into, but I can't say I really agree on that point (and so don't really understand it).

Entertainment? Entertainment? If you're doing something serious, it's not to be treated as lightly as you did.

 

[Agent327]

I've been absent for some time and only learned of it pretty much when it was implemented, but I have to say I like the change. Sure, there are some things things that annoy some guys (like the postcount thingy, though I absolutely fail to understand why it's so important).

what kinda suprised me was the outrage over the date. Personally, I thought it rather funny in a non-joke kinda way. But even if you don't like it one little bit, I think some of you are rather overdoing the outrage thingy over this....lighten up

This sums up neatly the attitude of some mods towards criticism: Some guys have a

- ´postcount thingy´

or are

- ´over doing the outrage thingy´.

Best way for posters to deal with their´ criticism:

- lighten up .

Seems like a good illustration of how little some mods actually understand about posting and what it means to posters.

(FYI: I personally have no issue with the changes implemented - although something might be said about the way they were implemented, but this has been said already.)

 

[Hygro]

What's cracking me up is how everyone howls for change. Then a change is made (responding to criticism and trying to build a solution that addresses the criticism) and they just howl more.

I promise you there is NOTHING we could do that would make the howling stop, short of shooting the dogs.

Be careful what you wish for.

/maniacal laugh

Hardly anyone's wanted a split forum though. I'm in favor of having fewer subforums but I'm willing to give it a chance. It makes CFC more of a hassle but we'll see.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

So, just for myself, I apologize for that. But, it was well intended.

Que sera.

Link to video.

Spoiler :

Why, yes I did

 

[Grisu]

This sums up neatly the attitude of some mods towards criticism: Some guys have a

- ´postcount thingy´

or are

- ´over doing the outrage thingy´.

Best way for posters to deal with their´ criticism:

- lighten up .

Seems like a good illustration of how little some mods actually understand about posting and what it means to posters.

(FYI: I personally have no issue with the changes implemented - although something might be said about the way they were implemented, but this has been said already.)

actually, your post kinda illustrates my point as well. It's a tad tiring when a post that was intended in a light hearted way gets picked apart piece by piece and people try to read the maximal possible amount of insult in each and every term.

what many seem to forget here, is that at mods are to some extent normal posters as well and want this site to thrive like most of you do. and every now and then some of us would like to post here without having to have our posts proof read by a lawyer to make sure that no part of it can possible be interpreted as an insult.

as for the 'lighten up' part that most certainly wasn't intended to mean that you should keep your cirticism to yourself but that some (only some, most seem to be quite capable of presenting it in a rather level headed way - kudos to you) might do good to take a step back, take a few lungs of fresh air and then read it again before becoming all outraged.

besides the postcount has been re-enabled despite many mods not liking it, so err...lighten up

 

[LucyDuke]

actually, your post kinda illustrates my point as well. It's a tad tiring when a post that was intended in a light hearted way gets picked apart piece by piece and people try to read the maximal possible amount of insult in each and every term.

I'd blame that on the dismissive tone of some of the earlier posts by the staff that amounted to "don't like it, tough poo".

 

[Veles]

Guise, srsly, if this isn't a joke, at least give these two subforms some non-clumsy and self-explainatory names, say "Lounge" for Tavern (and make it first in the list), and Serious Talk (after all we have sports talk and computer talk) for The Chamber.

But overall, I don't give three flying ducks. Leave it as it is for all I care.

EDIT: Also, whatcha gonna do with all the old OT topics? Are you gonna sort them all into srs bzns discussions/trolling and loling, or just move to archive?

 

[Hygro]

I like chamber and tavern. lounge is lame. chamber is cross between bedroom, bathroom, and grand senate chamber.

 

[Takhisis]

what many seem to forget here, is that at mods are to some extent normal posters as well and want this site to thrive like most of you do. and every now and then some of us would like to post here without having to have our posts proof read by a lawyer to make sure that no part of it can possible be interpreted as an insult.

But you're no longer an ordinary poster once you're given the powers of a moderator: to edit and delete posts; to open and close, split and merge threads; to hand out warnings and infractions; to even edit our polls as was so insultingly done, anonymously, with the Postcount poll; all those and more, you're no longer our equal. With power comes responsibility. It's like a policeman in uniform claiming to be the equal of people on the street.

 

[Atticus]

I'd blame that on the dismissive tone of some of the earlier posts by the staff that amounted to "don't like it, tough poo".

This whole situation reminds me of how language-, race-, religion-, politics-, opinion- etc. strifes are born and get deeper: The mods see posters as one entity and posters see mods as one entity. Posters A, B and C demand this. Mods do this, and posters D and E say they want that. Mod 1 says "tough poo, this is what you wanted", and then mod 2 gets blamed on it. Mod 2 gets tired of posters being impossible and infracts everybody...

 

[Princeps]

Not really, but its not my decision.

 

[Silurian]

Well the Chamber Pot section of OT has not made it to one page of threads in nearly a week.

OT was split into The Chamber Pot and the other section when OT had many less serious threads.
So the other section was automatically bigger than The Chamber Pot.

Most people post in OT to debate, ask questions and give others the benefit of their knowledge. Some people want a highly restricted debating place like The Chamber Pot others want a more freewheeling place like the other place. But most people are in the middle and want some of both. Since the other section is bigger the people in the middle will tend to post there.

In the end The Chamber Pot will have some good technical debates between a limited number of posters with some visits from posters from the other section, just like History. Most of the posters in the other section will view it as a lower quality OT and will be posting there because they do not have the pre Fools Day OT.

 

[Tee Kay]

Well the Chamber Pot section of OT has not made it to one page of threads in nearly a week.

This is not a bad thing. A healthy forum does not necessarily require a rapid proliferation of (often bad) threads.

 

[Silurian]

This is not a bad thing. A healthy forum does not necessarily require a rapid proliferation of (often bad) threads.

I agree but that is why this section will end up like History with a few good threads and a few posters.

 

[timtofly]

do you like the forum split?

It messes with my split personality toooo much.