Do you really are is Iran has the bomb?

[Archbob]

Ok, Type in Title, it should be "Do you really care if iran has the bomb?"

All the other Republican candidates are all like "OMG!OMG! We can't let iran get the bomb" except Ron Paul of course.

But as an American citizen I could care less if Iran gets the bomb or not. They don't have the means to nuke us anyways if they get it. I think its a waste of money and resources to try to prevent them from getting a bomb. An invasion is just ********. Pakistan got the bomb and it wasn't the end of the world.

 

[Joecoolyo]

Destabilization = bad
Iran with bomb = destabilization

Also the whole proliferation thing.

 

[Archbob]

Destabilization = bad
Iran with bomb = destabilization

Also the whole proliferation thing.

I don't think it'll de-stabalize anything. Nukes are the biggest peacemakers ever. Israel has them so I doubt the Iranian leadership would actually use them against Israel. Pakistan got them and life went on.

 

[Joecoolyo]

I don't think it'll de-stabalize anything. Nukes are the biggest peacemakers ever. Israel has them so I doubt the Iranian leadership would actually use them against Israel. Pakistan got them and life went on.

It's not about the actual use, no country would ever dare use them nowadays. It's more about the whole power thing, Iran getting the bomb means they just knocked themselves up a notch in the region, and are more likely to bully the smaller states around into doing what they want. That's pretty destabilizing to the region.

Pakistan isn't able to really use the nuke to it's advantage, considering one, they have India right at their doorstep, all their focus is on them on not power projecting in the region, and two, they still have some internal strife. It's hard to project power over a region when you can't even do it at home.

 

[ParkCungHee]

So we are defining "destabilization" to mean "a change to the status quo"?
In that case we have far more pressing concerns then Iran getting Nuclear Weapons.

 

[Lone Wolf]

"Do you really care if iran has the bomb?"

No, I don't care much, and I don't like the Iranian government and Ahmadinejad fanboys.

 

[NYHunter]

I am slightly concerned with Iran possessing a nuclear weapon, but I also view it as their right to do so. If I as an American citizen may live in a nation who has nuclear weapons, I am not going to tell citizens of other nations that they may not.

 

[Archbob]

No, I don't care much, and I don't like the Iranian government and Ahmadinejad fanboys.

He has fanboys?

 

[Lone Wolf]

He has fanboys?

Even Kim Jong Il had them.

 

[Glassfan]

All the other Republican candidates are all like "OMG!OMG! We can't let iran get the bomb" except Ron Paul of course.

But as an American citizen I could care less if Iran gets the bomb or not. They don't have the means to nuke us anyways if they get it. An invasion is just ********.

It was, of course, President Obama who swore since the beginning of his administration that he wouldn't let Iran get the A-bomb. It's not just those silly Republicans.

An Iranian nuclear warhead strapped onto one of the IRBMs they've been developing could reach Israel, SE Europe, and several dozen US bases in the Middle East. They don't have to land in New Jersey to be a threat to American interests.

An invasion would not be necessary - merely a stealth strike by B1's with a variety of deep penetrators.

It's not about the actual use, no country would ever dare use them nowadays...

We Hope!

But I think this is the major point of debate. Iran is run by a group of intolerent, ultraconservative holymen - the Supreme Leader of Iran (Ali Khamenei) and his circle of Ayatollahs. These guys make American Fundamentalist Christians look like a Gay-Pride parade. To allow them to have nukes is inconcievable. They don't think or negotiate like Western leaders. God's holy vengence for past injustice - real or imagined - is high on their to-do list.

 

[Loppan Torkel]

Of course, they could have picked a different year to go nuclear.

 

[Lone Wolf]

To allow them to have nukes is inconcievable. They don't think or negotiate like Western leaders. God's holy vengence for past injustice - real or imagined - is high on their to-do list.

That's just like the "USA invades every country in the world, we should abandon everything, unite around our leader and increase our military spending" rhetoric. Both have a small grain of truth in them, but only a small grain. Unless Ahmadinejad had recently called for a nuclear strike against the evil, corrupt West, and I missed that announcement.

Besides, you can look at it that way. Lefties insist that Ahmadinejad is fine, that he opposes the US-Israeli aggression, that he is a noble figure who defends Iran against imperialism. And then, Iran goes and drops nuclear bombs on Tel-Aviv, Washington and New York, causing extreme destruction and suffering! Seeing the look on these lefties' faces will be priceless!

 

[Lambert Simnel]

I care and would much rather Iran doesn't have them, but I find it hard to envisage any sort of pre-emptive strike by the West which I could support - not least because any such military action would cause long lasting damage to the West's relations with the Arab Middle East, and would likely reignite the call for retaliation attacks on Western cities (on the lines of 9/11).

If there's more that can be done covertly, or on the lines of Stuxnet, then I'll all for that.

 

[Archbob]

Iranian leaders aren't stupid, they won't nuke Israel or the USA because that would results in immediate and total annilation of themselves. They must know this and there's nothing those leaders love more than their own power.

I guarantee the supreme leader isn't about to die for his cause, that's why he gets other people to blow themselves up instead of doing it themselves.

 

[Glassfan]

That's just like the "USA invades every country in the world, we should abandon everything, unite around our leader and increase our military spending" rhetoric. Both have a small grain of truth in them, but only a small grain. Unless Ahmadinejad had recently called for a nuclear strike against the evil, corrupt West, and I missed that announcement.

Besides, you can look at it that way. Lefties insist that Ahmadinejad is fine, that he opposes the US-Israeli aggression, that he is a noble figure who defends Iran against imperialism. And then, Iran goes and drops nuclear bombs on Tel-Aviv. Washington and New York, causing extreme destruction and suffering! Seeing the look on these lefties' faces will be priceless!

Interesting post. Keep in mind that President Ahmadinejad is a hard-liner, a Holocaust Denier, a strong supporter of Iran's nuclear program, and of course, not actually the leader of Iran.

Liberal critics (and I suppose conservative as well) are never held to account. Only the President will be remembered for what he did or didn't do if the balloon goes up.

 

[Lone Wolf]

not actually the leader of Iran.

Replace Ahmdnjd with Khamenei, then.

Liberal critics (and I suppose conservative as well) are never held to account.

It matters on the Internet. Just think of it - a thread "Iran nukes Israel and USA!!!", all the lefties admit that they were mistaken, and you can tell them "I told you so !"

But it doesn't matter, because Iranian fundies and traditionalists are just what they are - fundies and traditionalists, not a bunch of completely mad people with a death wish.

 

[Glassfan]

Iranian leaders aren't stupid, they won't nuke Israel or the USA because that would results in immediate and total annilation of themselves. They must know this and there's nothing those leaders love more than their own power.

I guarantee the supreme leader isn't about to die for his cause, that's why he gets other people to blow themselves up instead of doing it themselves.

I didn't say they are stupid. I said they are religious extremists. They judge the world differently than you or I. These are the guys who sent unarmed boys against Sadam's armored divisions back during the Iran/Iraq War. And if an atomic bomb suddenly went off in an American port, leaving no evidence, Iran might actually get away with it.

Your last sentence speaks for itself.

 

[Lone Wolf]

I didn't say they are stupid. I said they are religious extremists. They judge the world differently than you or I.

There's a difference between "religious extremist" and a "nuclear psycho". I fail to see anything that would indicate that Iranian leaders are planning a nuclear strike. Stalin was ruthless and tyrannical, that didn't mean that he wanted to drop a nuke on Washington.

 

[bathsheba666]

Pakistan got the bomb and it hasn't been the end of the world yet.

Fixed.

 

[Archbob]

Fixed.

Actually nothing has happened really.