Do You Wear Designer Clothing?

[BirraImperial]

Is Perry Ellis designer clothing ?. I have a couple of shirts from them.

 

[twansalem]

I guess I'm the low-brow boy on the block. Wranglers from Wal-Mart.

I wear Wranglers almost every day. Usually in the $15 range, and last just as long as everything else.

 

[Merkinball]

but it's still important to meet new people. And it doesn't mean that these people necessarily judge you through the clothes you wear. It's not always so negative or even concious. - aelf

I don't get it, if it doesn't matter that not all people are going to judge you buy the clothes they wear, then why should the rest of us fall down to the lowest common denominator and cater to the judgemental individuals who do?

I thought I explained that. Factory sells cheap because it produces more than the quota and is just riding on the brand name while only having to factor in bare production costs. Maybe they sold a crate of it to some African dealer who fit it among all sorts of cargo that eventually ended up in Djibouti. - aelf

Oh yeah, it's just magical that in all African markets, Djibouti, Khartoum, Addis Ababa, Nairobi, they just happen to get all these magical extra crates. I mean, who knew that China's factories were so dumb that they'd over produce all these designer label clothes and just ship them to Africa. Let's go further. If you go to the African markets, you won't pay more than 12$ for any article of casual clothing. In Ethiopia, you can get an authentic, handmade Italian suit, with handmade Italian leather, put together by a little old Italian man for about $80.

THEY RIP YOU OFF FOR THE SAME THING!

I think you really have no clue about fashion. - aelf

Probably not. It's not really a priority in my life.

I don't really care about the label either. There's no brand loyalty involved. If I think FCUK suits me today, I buy that. - aelf

Does it suit you? Or does it suit the perceptions you want to feed people who are other than you? Gotta keep it real yo.

So do I. I don't judge myself by what I wear. It's just to facilitate social interaction. - aelf

Oh, okay, so it suits other people. I mean, the purpose of clothing after all, is not to warm yourself, or protect oneself, but to facilitate social interaction among superficial people who will place implicit judgement on people based on the clothes they wear. In essence, clothes are not for you, but for others.

If I really wanted to go with the crowd, I too would be doing medicine or engineering. - aelf

Oh yeah, because the crowd is engineers and doctors...

Are they especially interested in that type of person? If they are, they might be more approachable - aelf

Why are you so infatuated with shallow people?

Don't talk tripe. What you wear is part of how you carry yourself - aelf

No it's not. I don't really think you're following me here. When I think of how people carry themselves, it's body language and posture. Clothes are completely irrelevant to that. Clothes do not reflect poise, or if a person has good posture. Clothes do not reflect the fact that a person walks with self confidence or grace. They don't reflect if the person will walk with their head up or not. It in no way shapes or forms if individuals eat with their elbows on the table. It's just clothing.

It's the same as liking a pretty girl more than a normal-looking girl at the first meeting. Don't tell me pretty girls don't interest you. -aelf

Pretty girls interest me to look at. But how a girl looks really has no bearing on if I will date them or start a relationship. I've dated knock outs, girls that were in my opinion, out of my league (or anybody elses league), but I've also dated girls that weren't the most attractive because what I saw in them as a person was more important than their skin or the clothes they wore. I've dated all types of women, with backgrounds from all over the world. I'm not really one to judge on anything superficial. I make my judgements based on the person within.

 

[The Yankee]

I like people who don't even notice what you're wearing.

When everyone is mentally undressing everyone else, that's when we know we're free....

I'm just kidding, but I see the point. Too much of this "status" has been wasted on people that blow their paychecks on such things. Even though I'll have to lay out some cash for more business attire, I still don't think I could ever see someone laying out $1500 for one outfit.

 

[Merkinball]

When everyone is mentally undressing everyone else, that's when we know we're free.... - Yankee

Who needs to mentally undress anymore? With the way most females dress these days.

 

[LightFang]

Even though I'll have to lay out some cash for more business attire, I still don't think I could ever see someone laying out $1500 for one outfit.

I do, every time I hear about those rich folks.

 

[aelf]

I don't get it, if it doesn't matter that not all people are going to judge you buy the clothes they wear, then why should the rest of us fall down to the lowest common denominator and cater to the judgemental individuals who do?

I already explained this. The judgment is not necessarily negative. People are just appreciative of beauty and will take note. You can't change that fact.

Oh yeah, it's just magical that in all African markets, Djibouti, Khartoum, Addis Ababa, Nairobi, they just happen to get all these magical extra crates. I mean, who knew that China's factories were so dumb that they'd over produce all these designer label clothes and just ship them to Africa. Let's go further. If you go to the African markets, you won't pay more than 12$ for any article of casual clothing. In Ethiopia, you can get an authentic, handmade Italian suit, with handmade Italian leather, put together by a little old Italian man for about $80.

THEY RIP YOU OFF FOR THE SAME THING!

So what is your explanation for this? "They just want to rip you off"? Wow, amazing economic theory there.

The crates did not magically end up there. The Chinese factories overproduce on purpose and sell the goods to some merchant at a lower price but still at a profit, and that merchant in turn ships the goods elsewhere to sell. Do you really have trouble understanding such a simple concept? And the Italian man can do that in Ethiopia because costs of living are low and because the purchasing power of his customers are low. He can't sell anything at too high a price or he will have too few buyers, but that $80 he makes from one suit can get him a lot of things.

Probably not. It's not really a priority in my life.

It's far from a priority in mine. I just happen to pay a little attention to it.

Does it suit you? Or does it suit the perceptions you want to feed people who are other than you? Gotta keep it real yo.

What's the difference? If I want people to see me this way, then that's what I want too. The most important thing is I still am exercising my individual decision-making power by deciding on what I want to show people.

Oh, okay, so it suits other people. I mean, the purpose of clothing after all, is not to warm yourself, or protect oneself, but to facilitate social interaction among superficial people who will place implicit judgement on people based on the clothes they wear. In essence, clothes are not for you, but for others.

I'm beginning to feel that you are either only trolling for fun or have really limited ability to perceive things more than one-dimensionally. Things frequently have more than one purpose, yes? If you really only care about wrapping yourself in something, then just cut holes in a rectangular cloth and wear that with a belt. That's gotta be very cheap.

Oh yeah, because the crowd is engineers and doctors...

Huh? Everyone wants to be a lawyer, engineer, doctor or banker here. I'm not going for any of those.

Why are you so infatuated with shallow people?

Why are you being so dense?

No it's not. I don't really think you're following me here. When I think of how people carry themselves, it's body language and posture. Clothes are completely irrelevant to that. Clothes do not reflect poise, or if a person has good posture. Clothes do not reflect the fact that a person walks with self confidence or grace. They don't reflect if the person will walk with their head up or not. It in no way shapes or forms if individuals eat with their elbows on the table. It's just clothing.

It's the same thing. You are just refusing to see the simple fact that appearances include everything that you can see. So what if a person doesn't have good posture? Does that mean he sucks? Not exactly, but you will naturally be more interested in a person who does have good posture.

Pretty girls interest me to look at. But how a girl looks really has no bearing on if I will date them or start a relationship. I've dated knock outs, girls that were in my opinion, out of my league (or anybody elses league), but I've also dated girls that weren't the most attractive because what I saw in them as a person was more important than their skin or the clothes they wore. I've dated all types of women, with backgrounds from all over the world. I'm not really one to judge on anything superficial. I make my judgements based on the person within.

For the last time, I'm going to say this: Clothes do not a man make, but clothes tell strangers and even friends who a man is. If you wear some cheap slack clothing bought from Wal Mart, you are just telling people that you probably are a lazy bum. How much interest do you think the average person has in getting to know one out of 1 million lazy bums around? You can be quite smart, but not many people are going to find that out. Maybe you should try going to a job interview in one of those to see what I mean.

 

[Merkinball]

So what is your explanation for this? "They just want to rip you off"? Wow, amazing economic theory there.

The crates did not magically end up there. The Chinese factories overproduce on purpose and sell the goods to some merchant at a lower price but still at a profit - aelf

So if they are making a profit selling a shirt for six bucks in Djibouti. Why are they selling the same thing for $80 in America? Oh yeah, because gullible American's will pay any price to be cool and accepted.

I'm beginning to feel that you are either only trolling for fun or have really limited ability to perceive things more than one-dimensionally. Things frequently have more than one purpose, yes? If you really only care about wrapping yourself in something, then just cut holes in a rectangular cloth and wear that with a belt. That's gotta be very cheap. - aelf

I kind of got you on that one didn't I. I'm not trolling, I think I brought up a good point about how clothes are used in social construction and mad profiteering.

Huh? Everyone wants to be a lawyer, engineer, doctor or banker here. I'm not going for any of those. - aelf

Which is why such a small percentage of the population constitutes these high paying, brain consuming fields, high responsibility fields.

It's the same thing. You are just refusing to see the simple fact that appearances include everything that you can see. So what if a person doesn't have good posture? Does that mean he sucks? Not exactly, but you will naturally be more interested in a person who does have good posture. - aelf

Appearance might include everything you see, but clothes still have nothing to do with body language.

Clothes do not a man make, but clothes tell strangers and even friends who a man is. If you wear some cheap slack clothing bought from Wal Mart, you are just telling people that you probably are a lazy bum. - aelf

So what are you implying? That people in general are shallow and judgemental? Let's go back to my assertion from yesterday. Do you think we should all bring ourselves down to the lowest common denominator to appease the shallow, superficial individuals who will think that someone is lazy becuase he wears a pair of Wranglers instead of a pair of Guess?

You can be quite smart, but not many people are going to find that out. - aelf

That's their loss, not mine.

Maybe you should try going to a job interview in one of those to see what I mean. - aelf

Job inteview =/= social life.

 

[mrt144]

At home I wear jeans, khaki shorts, t shirts, hoodies. I don't go out that often because I'm mostly busy with work and school.

with regards to work; tie, collared shirt, etc etc.

as for designer clothing, it is important to the people it is important to. if it isn't important to you leave those people alone. and vice versa.

 

[aelf]

So if they are making a profit selling a shirt for six bucks in Djibouti. Why are they selling the same thing for $80 in America? Oh yeah, because gullible American's will pay any price to be cool and accepted.

Take a course in economics. One market is different from another. In fact, we might even be talking about an illegal distribution of goods here, which makes the difference even more extreme.

I kind of got you on that one didn't I.

Uh, no? But declare an incomprehensible victory for yourself, if you like.

Which is why such a small percentage of the population constitutes these high paying, brain consuming fields, high responsibility fields.

Again, you fail to see beyond a single dimension. Many people want to be those, but many do not succeed. And I'm talking about people within my social circles, anyway, to whom I would be comparing myself if I wish to make such a comparison. It doesn't matter to me if a large section of society actually consists coffee boys who merely want to rise to simple managerial positions.

Appearance might include everything you see, but clothes still have nothing to do with body language.

Really? Then, seriously, we should stop right here because you have proven that you have never really given any thought to it.

So what are you implying? That people in general are shallow and judgemental? Let's go back to my assertion from yesterday. Do you think we should all bring ourselves down to the lowest common denominator to appease the shallow, superficial individuals who will think that someone is lazy becuase he wears a pair of Wranglers instead of a pair of Guess?

I have already gone into this a few times. If you wish to persist in thinking of everybody as shallow and judgmental and that you are the best and most intelligent creature on earth, then I shall leave you to indulge in your pleasure.

That's their loss, not mine.

See what I mean?

Job inteview =/= social life.

Yeah, because in social life you can withdraw into your own deluded world where you decide what matters or not with as simplistic a perspective as you wish, just because you don't perceptibly jeopardize your material well-being.

Clearly, you are like a person who has never taken a dip but wishes to discuss swimming with whatever pre-conceptions you have. I don't see any point in arguing any further. You can say that you won. I don't care.

 

[rkade8583]

They don't make Ryan sized clothing... plus I hate logos of clothing companies on my t-shirts.

I'm a metalhead. In winter and summer respectively I wear jeans/cargo shorts, black t-shirts with bands, skulls, or whatever on them, boots/hi-top walkers, and exclusively in winter, a flannel jacket.

I hate summer. I look so goofy in shorts...

 

[luiz]

What's designer clothing? Something designed specifically for me? In that case, no. If it means stuff from "name brands", than yes, occasionally.

I care about the quality and the looks of the clothes (and the price, of course). If I see something that I like on a supermarket I will buy it, but sometimes I have to spend more to get something that I find nice. Shoes are a perfect exemple, I can't stand bad shoes and if that means spending 200 bucks on a good pair, so be it.

 

[rkade8583]

My summer shoes cost... $15. And they've lasted for a good 2 years now. They sure don't look good but I'm VI so who cares?

 

[Merkinball]

Take a course in economics. One market is different from another. In fact, we might even be talking about an illegal distribution of goods here, which makes the difference even more extreme. - aelf

I have. That's what I am saying. In one market, the clothes are sold for what the are worth materially. In another market, they are worth what people will pay. The material worth of the clothing is the same in America as it is in Ethiopia. It's just that American's will pay a ridiculous price for it.

Really? Then, seriously, we should stop right here because you have proven that you have never really given any thought to it. - aelf

Well, fill me in, or rebutt what I said earlier. Please inform me how...if I had a designer shirt on right now, or the t-shirt that I have on right now, would change my body language. Or explain to me how if I wear Levi's shorts, as opposed to shorts from the Banana Republic has anything to do with the fact that I hold my head high when I walk.

I have already gone into this a few times. If you wish to persist in thinking of everybody as shallow and judgmental and that you are the best and most intelligent creature on earth, then I shall leave you to indulge in your pleasure. - aelf

Stop diverting. This isn't about me. This is about OTHERS. You haven't gone over this and you're dodging the point again. Why should I change the way that I dress to appease superficial, shallow individuals? They are not worth my time.

My summer shoes cost... $15. - rkade

Uh oh. I wouldn't go out in public with them. People will think that you are lazy because you only spent $15 dollars on them. What do you think aelf?

 

[wicshade]

i spend more on cigars in one month then i spend on closes in one year.

maybe if i stoped smoking i could afford designer close.

 

[mrt144]

I have. That's what I am saying. In one market, the clothes are sold for what the are worth materially. In another market, they are worth what people will pay. The material worth of the clothing is the same in America as it is in Ethiopia. It's just that American's will pay a ridiculous price for it.



Well, fill me in, or rebutt what I said earlier. Please inform me how...if I had a designer shirt on right now, or the t-shirt that I have on right now, would change my body language. Or explain to me how if I wear Levi's shorts, as opposed to shorts from the Banana Republic has anything to do with the fact that I hold my head high when I walk.



Stop diverting. This isn't about me. This is about OTHERS. You haven't gone over this and you're dodging the point again. Why should I change the way that I dress to appease superficial, shallow individuals? They are not worth my time.



Uh oh. I wouldn't go out in public with them. People will think that you are lazy because you only spent $15 dollars on them. What do you think aelf?

Why do you care about what others think about your clothing? isn't the entire premise of your argument that people shouldn't care, it seems like you care greatly about whether people care or don't.

and while i agree with you that americans pay a high price for name brand or designer clothing, i dont see why that is a problem considering you don't have to buy it.

 

[aelf]

I have. That's what I am saying. In one market, the clothes are sold for what the are worth materially. In another market, they are worth what people will pay. The material worth of the clothing is the same in America as it is in Ethiopia. It's just that American's will pay a ridiculous price for it.

Ethiopians don't have the same purchasing power as Americans, you know. They are probably not really getting it much cheaper than Americans in their terms. If you happen to be an American in Ethiopia, then good for you. Or if you happen to be a rich Ethiopian. But, similarly, if you're rich in the US, I don't see any problem in being able to afford those in your own country. You can even fly to Ethiopia to do some wholesale shopping, if that doesn't generate too much attention. After all, the clothes are there and on sale not through the means of legal distribution.

Well, fill me in, or rebutt what I said earlier. Please inform me how...if I had a designer shirt on right now, or the t-shirt that I have on right now, would change my body language. Or explain to me how if I wear Levi's shorts, as opposed to shorts from the Banana Republic has anything to do with the fact that I hold my head high when I walk.

I'm really not an expert on this, but it is still fairly obvious in an abtract (to me) kind of way. Some clothes make you look lanky and your movements awkward. They may also make it look like you're slouching more than you are. It probably has much to do with body shape.

Stop diverting. This isn't about me. This is about OTHERS. You haven't gone over this and you're dodging the point again. Why should I change the way that I dress to appease superficial, shallow individuals? They are not worth my time.

You like to disconnect yourself from others, which is my whole point of you being self-centred. Talking about others also inevitably brings yourself into the picture.

Uh oh. I wouldn't go out in public with them. People will think that you are lazy because you only spent $15 dollars on them. What do you think aelf?

You also seem to fail at grasping the concept that designer clothes tend to be better designed (doh!) than cheap clothes (they might also last longer), not just that they are costlier. My whole premise for wearing designer clothes is that they tend too look better and more presentable, not because they are expensive. If you find some cheap clothes that happen to look good and suitable for you, by all means buy them. In fact, I do wear relatively cheap stuff. I'm just willing to look for quality and spend a bit on it, which is why I'm not lazy when it comes to dressing.

 

[LightFang]

You also seem to fail at grasping the concept that designer clothes tend to be better designed (doh!) than cheap clothes (they might also last longer), not just that they are costlier. My whole premise for wearing designer clothes is that they tend too look better and more presentable, not because they are expensive. If you find some cheap clothes that happen to look good and suitable for you, by all means buy them. In fact, I do wear relatively cheap stuff. I'm just willing to look for quality and spend a bit on it, which is why I'm not lazy when it comes to dressing.

Should have said that first. I don't think there's anybody who would disagree on that. We're just saying that you don't need designer clothing to be better and more presentable all the time. You acted like all cheap clothing were equivalent to wearing dresses made of chicken feed sacks.

 

[warpus]

Hey, I wear a chicken feed sack from time to time.. but I make it look good.

 

[Ansar]

Hey, I wear a chicken feed sack from time to time.. but I make it look good.

But who designed the chicken feed sack?