[RD] Does free speech even exist as a concept?

[Hygro]

I don't think it took "collapsing Google guy to an identity" to recognize his rhetoric as lifted from known misogynist group websites.

Right, so comprehension by associating your triggers in response to a rhetorical tone to sides and reasoning from there is exactly the nonsense that proves nothing.

Can you get a clue to a lead? Sure. Now use that lead to motivate some real understanding. What's the sexist smoking gun in the google memo? "We should increase pair-programming" uh, yeah, we should.

 

[Old Hippy]

https://www.wired.com/story/the-pernicious-science-of-james-damores-google-memo/

Speaking of "The Team," it would appear that Jordan Peterson took his side, saying that he got the science right. In other words, that's proof enough for me that the author got the science wrong, given JP's lack of biology education and history of sexism
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as for those in favour of your science from the article such as Megan Molteni "I'm a science reporter working mainly in web and print ATM. Lover of cephalopods and currently obsessed with the mysterious lives of eels."
and Adam Rogers Author of Proof: The Science of Booze. Science, geekery, puns.

they are not clinical psychologists and a professors of psychology with a history of working with women to advance them in their respective industries to get higher pay and promotions to positions of greater responsibility
But i can guarantee you they have both heard of "toxic masculinity" and the ''white male patriarchy'' and accept this feminist viewpoint so to say their are no biological differences between the sexes only shows their own sexism and racist bias dogmatic views

 

[brennan]

I don't think it took "collapsing Google guy to an identity" to recognize his rhetoric as lifted from known misogynist group websites.

If we are extremely charitable and accept your characterisation of these websites, does it mean the science is wrong? I don't think it does.

Maybe you could share your understanding of the science. What differences do you accept there are between the 'average' male and 'average' female brain? Where do you think these differences originate etc.? If you do not believe there are any differences, then why not?

 

[cardgame]

All this read between the lines stuff is hallucinated by the reader of things between the lines. That we can probably take Damores position and peg him for “what kind of guy he really is” doesn’t change the meaning of what he wrote.

What did you do with the real Hygro? Or do you think inferences and implications are hallucinations? That we can probably take his position and peg him for what kind of guy he really is changes everything, because it is safe to say he is arguing in bad faith. Much more anti-PC than pro-equality.

 

[brennan]

That we can probably take his position and peg him for what kind of guy he really is changes everything

Not if you're wrong. And even if you're right, it doesn't change the facts he wrote about.

 

[Hygro]

What did you do with the real Hygro? Or do you think inferences and implications are hallucinations? That we can probably take his position and peg him for what kind of guy he really is changes everything, because it is safe to say he is arguing in bad faith. Much more anti-PC than pro-equality.

It's not safe to say he's arguing in bad faith. I certainly don't think he was. Having read his memo 2-3 times now, I think he was saying that there's a pre-decided "safe" channel for how we can discus plans for diversity and any deviance from that will be punished, (Lo and behold...) but he's given some thought to things that are deviant that, in his view, might better address the stated ends of the pro-identity-diversity push within Google.

What he doesn't know is that our push for equality has nothing to do with discovering/proving that we were equal all along and everything to do with re-writing the culturally narrative so that we act and believe this. I suppose he gets this now.

Perhaps a simpler way to put it is, this guy's mistake was probably arguing in good faith to begin with.

 

[Farm Boy]

Doesn't that sound familiar.

Though, to an extent, it's hard like really hard to argue the point into the gale of quota and disarmament.

 

[El_Machinae]

If the Nazis were so disliked, why did they feel welcome at the Rallies???

The solidarity seemed to be strong enough that they weren't chased away. I understand that it's legally difficult to chase away Nazis. But, golly, they felt welcome. That's certainly different from feeling despised.

 

[Commodore]

If the Nazis were so disliked, why did they feel welcome at the Rallies???

The solidarity seemed to be strong enough that they weren't chased away. I understand that it's legally difficult to chase away Nazis. But, golly, they felt welcome. That's certainly different from feeling despised.

Alliance of convenience? You know, the whole "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing?

 

[Ajidica]

Alliance of convenience? You know, the whole "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing?

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of your anti-Nazi credentials when they really really really like your candidate.

Surely the primary goal of any political party in a liberal democracy has to be keep the Nazis as far from respectability as possible.

 

[Commodore]

Surely the primary goal of any political party in a liberal democracy has to be keep the Nazis as far from respectability as possible.

In theory, sure. However, winning elections has become the primary goal of political parties in the US and if cuddling up to Nazis will help conservatives win elections, they are going to do it even if they don't particularly like the Nazis.

 

[Ajidica]

In theory, sure. However, winning elections has become the primary goal of political parties in the US and if cuddling up to Nazis will help conservatives win elections, they are going to do it even if they don't particularly like the Nazis.

I mean, that should be Exhibit #1 for why the Republican Party is fast becoming a genuine threat to our democracy.
I don't expect to see morality in politics, but surely there should, somewhere, in the blackest corner of their excuse for a soul, should be a sign stating "DON'T GET FRIENDLY WITH NAZIS".

 

[Commodore]

I don't expect to see morality in politics, but surely there should, somewhere, in the blackest corner of their excuse for a soul, should be a sign stating "DON'T GET FRIENDLY WITH NAZIS".

They used to have that, but then they started noticing that Nazis, despite being universally hated, still seem to have this uncanny ability to energize a voter base, which is something conservatives in the US have had trouble doing for quite some time now.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

In theory, sure. However, winning elections has become the primary goal of political parties in the US and if cuddling up to Nazis will help conservatives win elections, they are going to do it even if they don't particularly like the Nazis.

The GOP has been more than willing to "like" the Nazis in order to get them into the "big tent" for decades. The problem that is current and new is that they are now making sure that the Nazis really like them. The Nazis used to be the disgruntled 'stuck with the GOP because only they will have us' group stuck in the corner. Now they are among the most enthusiastic core, gleefully pointing to how the leadership has finally 'come around.'

 

[cardgame]

I remember another conservative political group that sided with the Nazis out of political convenience. Things didn't end well.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I remember another conservative political group that sided with the Nazis out of political convenience. Things didn't end well.

Sure they did, in the larger scheme. With gibbets at Nuremberg. The process is ugly, but the rabid dog always gets put down in the end.

 

[El_Machinae]

Alliance of convenience? You know, the whole "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing?

Oh. I know. But it puts life to the idea of animosity between the groups

 

[Commodore]

You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.

Okay, but he asked what from Christian history, not Christian philosophy, that would indicate they wouldn't resist what they see as a threat to their way of life. Quoting Bible verses doesn't really answer that question.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Okay, but he asked what from Christian history, not Christian philosophy, that would indicate they wouldn't resist what they see as a threat to their way of life. Quoting Bible verses doesn't really answer that question.

It wasn't meant to. It was just to undercut the pretense of righteousness that our little alt-right commando was trying to drape himself in.

 

[Farm Boy]

Well, the ones where the swastikas showed up and weren't chased away.

Well, then rest easier. There are jerkwads, and they will choose to vote for somebody. Right now, taking issue with blind-eyeing illegal immigration and neoliberal wage policy is unfortuntely a sword our more leftist mainstream party is in opposition to, as is the tremendously awkward position on trade, so I get saddled with the kkk and the nazis when I vote, cracked and packed for meaningful local office, or at state level against the party that slashed my water districts for the 30 years until the other one finally just gave up on them. Yes, they're skulking around desperately seeking validation through uncontested races, but that shouldn't be news in the bad sense, that's what progress looks like.

Occassionally, the worst of the dbags can stage a big surprise, but when they try to broaden, they just aren't there. Two dozen people. The hue and cry and panic that reached all the way from mainstream news, to this board, to the sermons in my church got two dozen MULEholes to show up to it. The dbags might be Repubulicans, and you might not like Republicans, but Republicans are not Nazis - even if they are wrong on a bunch of issues.

This liar has everyone taking the bait really hard. At least don't swallow the hook, and that's for other people probably more than it is for you. When you keep hearing that there are murdering hordes(immigrants or homegrown) right around the corner, but their rallies are empty and their crime rates are normal, it's just somebody's agenda at work. Lots of muleholes have megaphones.